You should be ashamed of yourself if you vote Tory and…

Boris didn't stand in the last mayoral election. By then he'd been elected to Parliament again and chose not to stand.

Boris was a joke and the people had enough so they voted with their hearts and heads and elected a hard working Mayor of London who works for the many, not the few.

Lets save 350m a week for the NHS. Blatant lie

strong and stable leadership? I'V honestly seen my 21 month old take more responsibility then May!

They said: We'll protect frontline services
The fact: we've lost of 18,000 Police Officers as well as fireman and ambulances available to be on the road

They said: We'll protect the NHS
The fact: They are not giving the NHS the funding it needs and instead expecting it to make deep cuts to beds, maternity units and A&E's as well as further reducing the amount of Ambulances on the road.

People are entitled to vote with their conscience but another 5 years of the Tories will destroy the NHS, raise taxes for the poor and working class, force more family's to eat from food banks or end up in hospital (miles away because the party has closed your local one), more people will become homeless, your social housing will be lost forever.

The time will come when you will revolt against the Tories, when the rich are richer and you have nothing left! Why not send them a message on 8th June 2017?

Let June be the end of May!

Oh he far exceeds it

The team that would occupy the premiership and great offices of state under Labour are: Jeremy Corbyn (PM), John McDonnell (Chancellor), Diane Abbott (Home Secretary), and Emily Thornberry (Foreign Sec).

A bigger bunch of jokes and losers than possibly any British Cabinet before them. So no, shouting "But but but ... Boris" doesn't come close to matching that cluster of calamity.

Diane is infinitely worse than Boris - you'd have to be crazy to trust her with control of the security services in a time of constant threat.

Uh huh ok. Sounds like an excuse to me.

Boris was given Foreign Secretary to shut him up but Diane was given the Shadow post because Jeremy has run out of people who are prepared to work for him.

Doesnt cancel out the other but people are getting on their a high Tory horses about it, which is a bit hypocritical to say the least.

I dont like Diane Abbott...I haven't forgotten her hypocrisy over state schools then sending her own child private.
However, she has had to put up with some really really vile abuse sinplynfor being a woman, and black.
A woman of lesser backbone would have been long gone by now.
So...as I say, I don't like her, but I respect her.

Noone can bang on about Diane Abbott being a buffoon while ignoring the fact BoJo was made foreign secretary, without being an enormous hypocrite. One doesn't cancel out the other.

Calyx, presume you are joking. Either that or you need a tin foil hat.

Calyx Did those shady figures fix the local elections too, and all the polls? Are they fixing the general election?

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/may/07/the-great-british-brexit-robbery-hijacked-democracy?CMP=sharebtnn_tw

Brexit and Trump happened on purpose it seems

I don't share your optimism that people have seen the error of this approach Kursk . In my opinion it's actually getting worse. I have seen little evidence, for example, that the Labour party is exploring whether this is part of the reason for their trounsing at the local elections. Everyone keeps going on about Corbyn who I'm sure is part of the problem, but not all by any means.

It is quite insulting to say people who vote one way or another should be ashamed of themselves, people's political views are arrived at through their experiences which are unique to them. Arguing and pointing out different approaches and alternatives is fine , but at the end of the day we all have a choice and live in a democracy.

WrongTrouser

You are right, Brexit and Trump were surprise results. But they were cased by the same issue of lack of political debate. The liberal side pushed there arguments and Annie who didn't agree was racist, homophobic etc.

All that did was make the more conservative people keep quiet until the privacy of the voting booth.

Hopefully we have seen the error of this.

Haven't read the whole thread yet but I just wanted to ask the OP and anyone of a like mind whether they think the tactic of denigrating anyone who is thinking of voting differently to them is a particularly effective one?

Did it work in the EU referendum campaign?

Did it work in the local elections?

You know, the old "vote as I say, you idiot/hypocrite/racist/duped fool (delete as appr) " line. Is it a good political stance? Is it working?

In relation to propaganda, for example, you referred to antisemitism but Corybn has criticised the current power in Israel

No. Not that. Ken Livingston is still in the party for starters.

As I said, I am not defending either side. As for BJ, I agree that he has been managed in a way that DA has not. It will be interesting to see what happens to him after the general election. I heard the DA interview on my way to work and was incredulous at the incompetence. Had BJ given the same interview I would have felt the same. As it happens, when mayor of London, he was a regular guest on that programme and I don't recall such a display of lack of preparation. I could be wrong since I didn't hear every interview.

In relation to "not sure how many ways I can say this" I haven't spent hours looking at every comment on mumsnet! I was looking at your last few comments on here.

What do you mean what am I trying to achieve? I am not in charge of the Labour party the last time I looked. If you mean what do I hope to achieve by not voting Labour. I don't want to vote for them and I am and will never be a Tory. Not sure how many ways I can say this. There are lots of us. I would give anything for someone like Blair.

birdsdestiny you have said many people don't know Corbyn and this is true for me (at the moment), but some of what you have said is surprising - it seems you are saying that at heart you are not a Tory voter and so I do wonder what you are trying to achieve.

I am at heart a labour voter and for me Corbyn is a bit of a wild card when it comes to administration and diplomacy, but then for me another Tory term is unthinkable and libdems are a bit of a wild card too.

I am trying to keep in mind policy and not get blindsighted by the propanganda or spin or personal attacks.

In relation to propaganda, for example, you referred to antisemitism but Corybn has criticised the current power in Israel - as do many jews - which is quite different from antisemitism. In relation to the IRA Corbyn comes across as having been quite hardline unionist, and was a backbencher, and so there is probably some truth in your statement that he cared more about ideology over winning elections.

Am I right in thinking that you would like someone like Blair who was "good" at "politics"?

The conservatives' victory in 2015 has been questioned and criticised and fines have been levied....

Singapore is seen as classic capitalism. Over 90% of Singaporeans live in social housing.

Yes and no. Singapore government does build a lot of public housing and it's decent quality but home ownership is very high- i.e. The government sells them off. However, those sold units are still classified as public housing due to clawback provisions.

Also city states are a special case- they can typically survive on really low personal taxes because their corporate tax take from financial services is so high.