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You should be ashamed of yourself if you vote Tory and…

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SasherinSuite · 05/05/2017 09:39

Have children educated at state school
Use the NHS for ANY reason
Have children considering going to university
Have elderly parents who will require state support
Use public transport
Are a teacher, health professional, public sector worker
Live in rented accommodation
Are a low paid worker

You are a hypocrite of the highest order Angry

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Newrumpus · 10/06/2021 22:21

You put a cross next to one of the other candidates.

rumred · 14/05/2021 18:01

You don't vote tory because you care about everyone's experience and life chances.
I can't give any fucks about personality. It's empty, pointless, vacuous.
I vote for a party that brings everyone up.

Chillychangchoo · 22/03/2021 14:43

I agree. Work in the health and social sector, and honestly you wouldn’t treat dogs the way elderly are treated in this country.

It’s an utter disgrace and no one gives a shit.

pawsbaws · 20/09/2020 22:58

Absolutely true. Well said.

Oblomov20 · 22/07/2020 04:17

Nhs

MP's have voted against protecting the NHS.

My MP conservative, voted.

although I didn't vote for him. Couldn't vote conservative because I was aware of their nhs views and DLA-PIP views of anyone with a disability.

This has made me very sad. Sad

You should be ashamed of yourself if you vote Tory and…
ColourMagic · 20/12/2019 16:33

"This Withdrawal Agreement Bill drives the hardest Brexit of all.

Parliament's role re future relationship? Gone

Clause on workers' rights? Gone

Environmental protections? Gone

The UK’s future under this Tory Govt - Parliament side-lined, no protections & a race to the bottom"

  • Caroline Lucas
ColourMagic · 20/12/2019 12:45

Reuters: 'Exclusive: The Brits who won't Brexit'
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'Cyprus government documents seen by Reuters show that Conservative Party donors have sought citizenship of the island, an EU member state, since Britain voted to leave the bloc in 2016.

They include billionaire Alan Howard, one of Britain’s best-known hedge fund managers, and Jeremy Isaacs, the former head of Lehman Brothers for Europe, the Middle East and Asia. Cyprus’ interior ministry recommended that both men’s applications be approved, the government documents show.

'..That some Brits who made a career out of assessing risk have applied for second passports may suggest sagging confidence in Britain’s economy after it leaves the EU. A broker who makes his living handling such passports says he’s seen a surge of enquiries from Brits looking for ways to keep their European Union citizenship.

“Brexit is the only factor driving this,” says Paul Williams, chief executive of passport brokerage La Vida Golden Visas. The right to live, work, study or set up business anywhere in Europe, says Williams, “that all changes with Brexit.”

www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-conservative-donors-exclus/exclusive-the-brits-who-wont-brexit-idUSKBN1YN191

ColourMagic · 20/12/2019 10:52

"Look at that, non-Corbyn people can type a paragraph without using the words "extreme", "racist", "media conspiracy" etc. Perhaps there might be a lesson to learn there?"

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Are you claiming that Britain First ideology is Not extremist and racist? Do you actually know what Britain First is?

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youknowitmakessensedunnit · 20/12/2019 10:48

you lost get over it.

By the way, the best way to counteract the Tories at the moment and promote the highest level of scrutiny would be for Corbyn to step down immediately and install an interim leader. The question you should be asking yourself is who would be best to hold the government to account.

Look at that, non-Corbyn people can type a paragraph without using the words "extreme", "racist", "media conspiracy" etc. Perhaps there might be a lesson to learn there?

ColourMagic · 20/12/2019 10:40

Former Tory PM John Major, former Tory Deputy PM Michael Hesletine, and former Tory Party stalwart and Chancellor Ken Clarke turned their backs on the Party they had served for decades, urging voters to not vote Tory because of Johnson's extremist government .....

Now the likes of Tommy Robinson, Katie Hopkins and former BNP Councillor and current leader of the extreme right wing, racist, Britain First rushed to join the Tory party. However many members and followers of Britain First join the Tories, they clearly feel emboldened by their perception that Johnson's government represents them and their extreme politics.

youknowitmakessensedunnit · 19/12/2019 16:19

You lost, get over it now cry baby. Oh, and get a job.

philipo99 · 19/12/2019 14:46

The Tories have borrowed 67.5% of UK national debt since 1946
Posted on November 13 2019

In an election where lies will play an important part in the messages some parties will deliver some facts will help. Start with these.

Overall since 1946 and through to the end of the 2019/19 financial year Labour has been, overall, in office for 28 years and the Tories for 45.

In that time according to the House of Commons Library net total government borrowing has been £1,618 billion: £155 billion of borrowing predated that period, most paying for WW2.

Of that sum 67.5%, or £1.092 billion was borrowed by the Tories. 32.5% or £526 billion was borrowed by Labour.

The Tories have been in office for longer, of course. Restated per year the Tories have borrowed £24.3 billion a year on average in historic prices.

Labour has borrowed £18.8 billion a year on average.

Labour repaid debt in 7 years. The Tories in just 4.

In current prices Labour has borrowed approximately £28 billion a year and the Tories £33.6 billion.

The Tories are always the party that borrows most.

I am not saying there is anything wrong with that. But when the Tories seek to make borrowing a sign of economic mismanagement they need to worry: they are the borrowing party.

Styleangel · 03/06/2017 14:31

I'm not great at understanding politics, but as I've got to vote next week I thought I'd show some interest, watch the various debates, question time and read their manifestos. I've heard a lot of opinions such as Jc is so lovely, he's for the people, believes in peace, has an allotment etc. I've heard the hatred for tm, she wants bring fox hunting back, she's out of touch, she has no children so what does she know. How she was slaughtered on question time last night.

I've actually tried to like Jc as many of my friends support him, but I just can't see why they love him so much, I didn't feel he was warm and for the people at all. We personally wouldn't be better off under a labour government anyway. I just don't feel he is a strong enough leader, he wants it be a lovely world, don't we all but I can't see how he's going to successfully accomplish that.

Tm I don't love her, there's a lot wrong with a Tory government but she to me does come across as a stonger leader, more intelligent and sounds a bit more like she knows what she's doing! I don't put all this shit all over fb as each to their own and I don't want fall outs but these are my personal feelings ATM!!

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Expat38matt · 11/05/2017 08:53

Yes SuperBeagle Gordon Brown sold our gold reserves at discount prices

Expat38matt · 11/05/2017 08:49

This is a genuine question. My parent was a consultant surgeon with the nhs - ended up as a clinical director and retired early due to the stress of beurocracy !
So I'm obviously an nhs supporter but I want to know how the Labour Party can save it ? Where do the funds come from etc?
I'm not supporting privatization but how do We prevent that? It is a brilliant service but needs rescuing- and someone needs to pay for it - so if Corbin is saying he has the solution I'll vote for him but I want to know how he is going to do it

scaryteacher · 10/05/2017 13:04

I live in Belgium. We have a house in the UK, dh is a UK taxpayer and counted as a UK resident for tax purposes. As we have been abroad for less than 15 years we are allowed to vote, and as we will be returning in 2019, we need to vote. Given Dh's former profession as a nuclear submariner, I am hardly likely to vote Labour, as defence is one of the main drivers for me. I also voted Leave btw.

TheMonkeyandthePlywoodViolin · 10/05/2017 09:34

You dont even live here and vote Tory? Thanks.

Do you live in europe?

scaryteacher · 10/05/2017 09:14

I was a state school teacher, am married to a now retired military officer, used the NHS, we pay for ds to go to uni, (so no loans), my Mum is a pensioner, and we rent abroad. Ds went to state sixth form, paid for by HMG, as he boarded. As 'public' transport costs, i.e the train, then I feel no guilt at using it when in the UK.

I vote Tory, and have done since 1984 when I could first vote.

Radishal · 09/05/2017 19:06

If the Tories get in, it will be on Corbyn for being unelectable. And the party for sticking with him. Not on the people too horrified by him to elect him.

NewBallsPlease00 · 09/05/2017 18:44

So what, you suggest I vote lib dem and get nothing, or labour with no gravitas higher taxes and same services
Do you honestly think corbyn will actually change things?

birdsdestiny · 09/05/2017 18:43

I am afraid though that as leader of the Labour party, it is his job to ensure that people vote for him. So the responsibility lies at his door.

mogonfoxnight · 09/05/2017 09:08

wrongtrouser to answer your earlier post about Labour needing to listen and change, the reason given by the voters who do not want to vote labour this time around is Corbyn. This means that they are voting for people not policies (unless I am missing something). Which is fine, but there isn't much that can be done at this stage. In terms of tory vs labour vs any other party, I personally don't see much difference in terms incompetence or corruption but I do see a huge difference in terms of policy and ideology. Large law firms attract both right and left supporters, and this is something which came up in conversation in the office and we were always very civilised in our discussions - and what it came down to (when I talked about it, anyway) was ideology and whether people who needed help should get help or whether in really basic terms survival of the fittest was appropriate. The workers of the past are not really around so much anymore - Thatcher got rid of manufacturing, the mines, etc and labour markets were replaced by money markets. But what we do still have are those who need help for whatever reason, whether physical or mental health or other, and I believe that Labour are more likely to try to support them and empower them in real terms.

In relation to PFI as I agree with getin about cronyism, but what I would point out is that much of the activity was at a LA level and this is going to apply whether conservatives or labour are in power, as is the incompetence over wording of relevant statutes. You had extremely competent private sector suppliers negotiating directly with LA personnel who did not have the experience or the mindset. Total madness. This problem has not been solved. But the background changes and the legislation were set in motion far before Labour came into power - what they inherited was a done deal. But yes, I agree criticisms of Blair are more than fair too.

Getin has also pointed out that (huge generalisation coming) labour voters are intrinsically less likely to toe the party line than conservative voters (big or small "c") which doesnt help.

You sound very interested - are you sure you aren't secretly wanting to come over to the dark side? (*lighthearted**)

radishal you have a point, again, but I would say that if people who support labour policies don't vote labour, then that is the reason labour won't get in. Not Corbyn. And if so, the conservatives will get in.

Though i wonder if any winning party will find brexit a bit of a poisoned chalice. Especially now May has declared "war" with the EU.

Has anyone else noticed that the OP has disappeared?!!

Karen781 · 09/05/2017 06:25

What's needed is a strong and stable reply to your post

StillHungryy · 09/05/2017 05:54

I'm likely to vote labour but Biscuit