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Lifelong Labour supporters who feel we need a more robust leader than Corbyn, how are you voting?

110 replies

LesLiaisonsDangereuses · 04/05/2017 17:15

I have always voted Labour. I am a socialist. I loathe everything thé Tories have done to the disabled, to schools, their priorities are not mine. But I also feel strongly that Corbyn is incompetent. Thinking of voting Lib Dem with a heavy heart.
Any advice?

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NoLotteryWinYet · 05/05/2017 11:47

i can see your point, prolonging the infighting. It's abundantly obvious he's heading for a huge disaster by now though. I agree, I'm not even sure McDonnell is a capitalist, I'm worried this National Investment Bank if it ever got enacted would lead to us needing an IMF bail out - I don't think he'd care as he shows no understanding of international money markets.

tobee · 05/05/2017 11:42

The trouble with that nolottery, is that the big vote is the GE and I want him and his supporters to take full responsibility for the is the disaster to come on June 8th, not to have excuses lined up about it. I can see his supporters saying it's because Jeremy went after the locals. They are a ruthless bunch who are dedicated to pursuing their aims, which don't include winning power. I think they see themselves as above that.

NoLotteryWinYet · 05/05/2017 11:33

i guess it's too much to hope Corbyn and McDonnell fall on their swords tonight after the worst local election results since the recorded beginning of political time?

It's not like the outcome could get much worse!

NoLotteryWinYet · 05/05/2017 11:31

When a lot of people say they don't like Corbyn, they also mean his policies and tactics, not just his personality. I don't like current labour policies, tactics or the personality of the leader. When people say he's unelectable, that mostly is a British way of saying 'I'm not labour because of his leadership/policies/tactics'.

The current labour 'get to know Jeremy' is just as patronizing as the toriy strong and stable soundbite because it imagines most people are so stupid that we're not supporting Jeremy because we can't relate to his jam making.

BelleTheSheepdog · 05/05/2017 11:27

Corbyn is an effective rally speaker. Not seen him in the flesh, I have seen this via the mainstream stream media.

sarahloupowell · 05/05/2017 11:24

My suggestion is to vote for the party with the policies you agree on and not vote based on a person. Leaders can come and go...take the current prime minister as a perfect illustration of this. Having heard Corbyn speak publicly, I think he is quite different to what the media portray. For me personally, I would be voting tactically to ensure a non-Tory government

tobee · 05/05/2017 11:20

Sorry that's so badly phrased.

tobee · 05/05/2017 11:19

The only thing I can hope is that this is the low water mark and must therefore be only possible to be upwards from here. But I'm scared that everything will be smashed to smithereens. We just have to see what fills the void. Tories have always had the attitude that they are the natural party of power, that is their strength.

NoLotteryWinYet · 05/05/2017 10:35

i'm in Scotland - our seat is safe SNP, tactical vote is labour but if the tories make significant gains (they're second after labour) I may be a limited time only tory. I agree it's awful what the tories have done on disabled policies, but Corbyn is worse, the party members have GOT to get their act together and vote him out.

BelleTheSheepdog · 05/05/2017 09:59

Spoiling the ballot is a tiny way of sending a message. At the very least to the candidates at the count who will look over all "unclear" ballots.

Spoiled ballots are also tallied and the numbers announced. If there was a big uptick nationwide it would be mentioned.

It's not much but it is something.

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/05/2017 07:54

As PPs have said, I'm voting for the manifesto.

Then you can't know how you will vote then as no manifestos have been released yet :)

Lalsy · 05/05/2017 07:54

Labour. I want Corbyn out but think he may not go - indeed am worried that a low Labour vote may mean a further drift left - unban the SWP or whatever. My local MP is pro-Europe Brownite so I don't think he will be misinterpreting my vote. What a shower.

soapboxqueen · 05/05/2017 07:52

I really don't think Corbyn will resign either. Even if labour are crushed (as is looking increasingly likely). I think he truely, truely believes that if the party has spoken nobody, not even himself, can question it. Like divine mandate. Something has to give. I just don't know what it's going to be.

Will tory gains in local and Mayoral elections galvanise the anti-tory vote or is it simply the starting pistol for the likely result in the GE?

LesLiaisonsDangereuses · 05/05/2017 07:21

Feel so depressed. We are moving in to an era of conservatism which looks like it is going to last a long time.

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DontMentionTheWar · 05/05/2017 03:37

Lifelong Labour voter here. Voted Labour in the locals as our local councillor is lovely and anti-Brexit. However, I'll be voting Lib Dem for the first time in the general election. Labour are about to be crushed anyway and to get rid of Corbyn the crushing has to be brutal. I can't forgive him for rolling over in the face of Brexit & being an utter shambles in every other way. The Lib Dems have come out against Brexit and I respect them for taking the flak for that. Hoping to see Labour put itself back together under a decent leader in time for the next election, by which time the Brexit shitstorm will hopefully have concentrated a lot of people's minds and got them to see how badly they were misled.

Tartyflette · 05/05/2017 02:46

Voted Labour today (DH was standing for district council but hasn't a hope in hell, they'd vote for a monkey round here as long as it wore a blue rosette) and will vote Labour again, albeit with a heavy heart, in the GE.
As PPs have said, I'm voting for the manifesto.
DH Is just back from the count, but I'm not rushing downstairs to get the bad news. Sad

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/05/2017 02:28

As of this time. Tories have gained 64 seats. Labour have lost 39!

PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/05/2017 01:57
  • Labour fears they have...
PigletWasPoohsFriend · 05/05/2017 01:56

Labour has lost control of Merthyr Tydfil and Blaenau Gwent in Wales.

Let that sink in....

tobee · 05/05/2017 01:33

Resign not reason. Although he lacks reason too.

tobee · 05/05/2017 01:33

I absolutely loathe Corbyn and his shower of shite shadow team but...but...but I can't imagine not voting Labour. And I have to vote. I don't like the lib dems much either.

Just to cheer everyone up talking to a relative who's worked in the world of politics, journalism and is a lefty for many years believes Corbyn still won't reason even if decimated at the GE. Momentum and the like have invaded Labour at the core and as McCluskey has been re elected I don't hold out much hope for the future. If he stays surely there will be a split?

rosesandcashmere · 05/05/2017 01:26

All of you 'spoiling papers' why bother? No one cares. You clearly don't understand how it works, just don't go. Even better actually vote. Biscuit

Beelzebop · 05/05/2017 01:21

I voted Conservative today. I can't do that in the GE. I am tormented.

SashaSashays · 04/05/2017 23:35

Jeremy Corbyn is a reflection of the party and its values though. This crap about him not appearing in the tv debates without Theresa May, does he not want the votes?! If he cares about the disenfranchised and those not engaged in the elitist politics of the tories why is he passing up on the most accessible platform to win votes?

I'm probably going to vote Green, from what I've read they seem to have the most similar values. I will never vote for the Lib Dems, I think we all feel for that shit once before and should learn our lesson.

AllThePrettySeahorses · 04/05/2017 23:32

Voted LibDem in our mayoral election.

I cannot in all good conscience vote for Labour under Corbyn. I feel that has become a cesspit of racism and, given the current leadership's anti-EU position, it may as well be UKIP.

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