AIBU article sneery towards english people.

Live in Scotland but not Scottish, for reference. I don't blame "the English" for anything (DH's family are mostly English and lovely, with some living here but mostly still in England). I think the UK Government, however, represents England with the rest of the UK having a say, but generally having their opinion(s) ignored if English MPs don't agree.
Not the fault of the English people, more the way the Government is set up with England's interests at heart.

He won't have written the headline, but you're being weirdly sensitive about it regardless. It's a really well known stereotype that the Scottish are crap at football, so of course we get 'sneered at'. The subeditor doesn't have room nor inclination to qualify 'some English people', why would they? They assume if you're reading the sport pages you're familiar with the context. Football culture revolves around stereotyping. Maybe it's not for you.

I think if you "don't discuss football" and "support both when Scotland and England are playing" you were missing a huge amount of context behind the article you took offence to. He's not talking about international football or English/Scottish nationalism. He's talking about pundits and journalists in England (some of whom are Scottish, you'll note - he mentions Souness, for example) showing disdain for Scottish league football when the English leagues are so rich and yet perform so poorly in Europe.

I ain't missing any point, thanks gruffalo

Godwin's Law. Every time.

Oh, were we mixing up Stasis and Nazis. Lovely. blinks

Okay, back to the article then. Do you follow Scottish football? Ever discuss it with your English pals, or hear it discussed when you watch it on telly?

I have said that the snp are not as bad as the Nazis. They might be similar to what the Nazis were in the early days, before they laid the way for their hideous crimes, which they neatly legislated for.

Will you get a grip. And remind yourself of the horrors of the holocaust. Stop chucking this stuff about just to win some political point.

gruffalo you did! You said parallels with national socialism after I mentioned the Stasi! Trying not to be petty here but you were indeed the one who brought up national socialism.

The Nazis and the Stasi, just by way of clarification, are not the same thing. Nazis = 1933, Hitler. Stasi = East German secret police in postwar GDR. And the Nazi comparison is way worse than the Stasi one. I'm feeling like a broken record here but just want to make the difference clear.

Fucking hell. I doubt old Kevin McKenna had this in mind when he wrote that article.

I'm English and don't recognise this st all. Most of my Scottish friends however work variously in Scotland, England and Europe. Its not like they've never met an English person.

I think there is some anti English sentiment but it's not worth crying into your broth about it.

Yes, that was my post and I respectfully disagree, gruffalo. I just think it's a really irresponsible comparison to make. Kind of sorry I ever brought some dafty's 'Scotland is basically the GDR' comment into this, but it was to illustrate how stupid and nasty things got last time.

To be honest, your comments about Nazism are way, way worse than that poster's Stasi comment. The two aren't even in the same league. I think we'll have to agree to disagree but I do think the comparisons are really tasteless.

Fuck sake. The article is about football, not politics. Various things said from various thick football commentators over the years. No reason to go all ranty about it. And Kevin McKenna is inconsistent at best

"the comparison is not only laughable, it's extremely insensitive"

Unbelievably so when the OP was regarding an article about English people sneering at Scottish football capabilities. I still don't understand where Pakistanis come into it.

Well no, it isn't impossible, but it did happen in east Germany and isn't happening to you, so...

Thanks pigeon. Exactly.

I feel angry on behalf of anyone who feels unwelcome in Scotland under the SNP but I work (in the languages depth at a university) with lots of people from former Soviet countries and the comparison is not only laughable, it's extremely insensitive.

Getting access to abortion under Ceaucescu versus Scotland offering access to Irish women. That's how big a difference we're talking. Nobody, as far as I know, is getting disappeared and put in an unmarked grave under Sturgeon's watch, whether or not you like her politics.

Oh and I agree Named Person is a hideous pipe of shite but it's not bugging houses and imprisoning people without trial.

And the general slating of Scots online "they can get lost" (like we all voted for independence) " we support them so they can go and starve". " theyd better hope the price of haggis goes up" etc etc.

You see, on my FB it's the other way around, I have to really bite my tongue, I suppose we all see the bits that offend us most. I have friends whose husbands work on the rigs who seem the most vitriolic.

I am English, Scottish and Irish, I live in England though. I have never heard anti Scottish comments up until the referendum when I did hear a few. Almost as if people were hurt by them wanting to be independent .

When I left the NHS I started a business which is private but works on behalf of local councils, it involves some telephone interviews. It benefits local communities to get correct information.
We have had to stop working in Scotland because so many people refuse to cooperate with us.

I have been told on several occasions that they won't help an 'English' company.

Still it's all anecdotal and I am sure that there are just as many stories going the other way.

Well no, it isn't impossible, but it did happen in east Germany and isn't happening to you, so...

*Germans wouldn't notice. You don't notice until it's aimed at you. Germans are the pals of Sturgeon.

It may not have got as bad as the stasis, but it looks similar to how it started with national socialism and someone to blame for all their troubles*

What are you talking about?! Ordinary East Germans were the ones living in fear of being reported to the Stasi. I honestly don't think you can compare that situation to present day Scotland. Are you afraid of being reported to some secret police for dissent and hauled up in front of a court? Or that your home is bugged as you're seen as a subversive?

The content of the article puts the comment in context (funny that).

To be honest, and generalizing hugely in the spirit of some of this thread, I think some factions of England seem to perceive slights and antagonism towards them from all directions. Speaking as an English person with Scottish family here. The said factions seem to have a large, collective shoulder chip with regards to the Scots, Irish, Europe and anyone else who threatens us with going about our daily business of putting the Great into Britain. So I guess we are going to see an increase in these kinds of threads now the murmurs of Indy Ref 2 become louder.

Not saying by the way that anti- English sentiment doesn't exist north of the border but there is very little effort made by aforementioned English factions to comprehend where this stems from and whether there may be the tiniest grain of truth in some reasons for resentment.

Yes. I agree.

Am not SNP voter but the media vitriol towards the SNP and Nicola Sturgeon is unbelievable.

And the general slating of Scots online "they can get lost" (like we all voted for independence) " we support them so they can go and starve". " theyd better hope the price of haggis goes up" etc etc.