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claig · 12/11/2016 08:30

Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

Article from another thread

"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

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Spinflight · 18/11/2016 20:06

He's going to do it. The first reality TV President.

That it'll also give him an excuse not to talk to the rest of the media....

squishysquirmy · 18/11/2016 19:53

During the campaign, Trump mentioned starting a TV company if he lost. Now that he's won, would he be allowed to do this anyway?
It sort of seems like something there should be legislation against...

Alfieisnoisy · 18/11/2016 17:33

Yeah Donny Junior is a real hero isn't he? Hmm

GlassCircles · 18/11/2016 17:06

Yep - on those occasions when you don't feel like actually whipping your own willy out and waving it around to prove what a tosser you are, a dead animal makes a good substitute.

Spinflight · 18/11/2016 16:52

Well the most important posts haven't been filled but it's an awfully hawkish looking lot so far.

InformalRoman · 18/11/2016 16:50

And this Donny Junior?

Kaija · 18/11/2016 16:48

What this donny junior?

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GlassCircles · 18/11/2016 16:42

However, from what I have seen of Donald Trump Junior, he is excellent, and I think he will be the next president after Trump.

So - Donny Jnr won't be a member of the elite in any way, then?

claig · 18/11/2016 16:09

'he's going to Make The Savannah Great Again.'

Very good, squishy Grin

GlassCircles, Trump is not hiring his family, they are only part of the transition team. Ivanka sat in on the meeting with the Japanese Prime Minister, but they won't get top jobs. However, from what I have seen of Donald Trump Junior, he is excellent, and I think he will be the next president after Trump.

Sessions was the first senator to back Trump, very strong on controlling the border and against the free tarde deals, so not bought and paid, therefore good.

General Mike Flynn is excellent, understands exactly what Isis is all about and all the backed and funded Jihadis, so very good. However, I have heard him saying something like Iran is behind Al Qaeda or something like that, which I don't believe, so it may spell bad news for Iran, and I don't think that is great as Iran may be able to be brought into an overall Middle East deal.

Bannon, good because he is anti-establishment, anti globalisation etc

Pompeo, I have never heard of so can't say.

Bad news is that Trump is talking to Romney and politically correct Nikki Haley who were both against him throughout the campaign.

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Spinflight · 18/11/2016 15:46

And that from a Republican controlled Senate...

Kaija · 18/11/2016 15:41

More on those appointments: Alabama senator previously deemed too racist to be a federal judge to be Attorney General.

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-attorney-general-jeff-sessions-racism-senate-usa-a7424341.html

Spinflight · 18/11/2016 15:40

"Spin...just those so far but it's a decent start i think."

Interesting start... Seems very hard right to me, which before the usual suspects start crowing about Austrian gentlemen of historical interest does surprise me.

GlassCircles · 18/11/2016 15:30

he can't hire family - there is legislation forbidding it.

I bet that's the first law he tries to change!

BoredofBrexit · 18/11/2016 15:26

Spin...just those so far but it's a decent start i think.

Pallisers · 18/11/2016 15:20

No family in there.

he can't hire family - there is legislation forbidding it. There is some chatter about whether his son in law could even take an unpaid named role in the white house - consensus seems to be that he can't.

Spinflight · 18/11/2016 15:08

Bannon, Flynn, Sessions and Pompeo announced so far... Unless you know something I don't.

No family in there.. Bannon seems to be a close friend, the rest looney tunes outsiders.

BoredofBrexit · 18/11/2016 15:00

Claig - I have to say that Trump has a plan! Looks like his transition team appointments are taking shape nicely and he is holding his ground well.

GlassCircles · 18/11/2016 14:44

No hiring people that he trusts is smart. He's rather famously quick to fire people who aren't up to the job.

That's a contradiction though, when the only people you truly trust are members of your own family and close friends - who are unlikely to be the best qualified candidates for the job.

squishysquirmy · 18/11/2016 10:11

He's been horribly smeared as evil by the neo-liberal lion media elite, just because he said and did evil things! But he's going to Make The Savannah Great Again.

squishysquirmy · 18/11/2016 10:07

Look at this charismatic leader, fighting the establishment and the elite. See how he selflessly puts the interests of the little guy above his own ambitions? He's amazing, the real deal. You'd love him Claig.

Spinflight · 18/11/2016 10:06

No hiring people that he trusts is smart. He's rather famously quick to fire people who aren't up to the job.

Claig is onto something when she talks about the corrupt global establishment though and I doubt many people have really thought through the implications.

Trump might be a billionaire but he's also a normal bloke. He bases his opinions on the same sources that we do whether mainstream or fringe. He hasn't had access to secret intel other than through wikileaks.

Why is this important?

Well it's never been mentioned explicitly in the campaign that I know of but why do you think that a society that has very low numbers of Muslim immigrants has voted for extreme vetting, or a complete ban on Muslims entering the country if they didn't read the small print?

Well the answer is close to home. The alt right particularly in America as enshrined by talk radio and right leaning forums uses us as an example. The UK and Sweden in particular.

The Rotherham child abuse scandal, whilst never mentioned in polite circles anymore for fears of being thought racist, ( it was allowed to perpetuate for the same reason which hollowly laughs out of town the idea that political correctness is merely politeness) sent Americans into a gun buying frenzy.

I doubt you could find a forum devoted to firearms, hunting, or probably any hobby where Americans don't discuss in shock what could happen to their country - the meme is generally that they are a decade or two behind the times but that it will happen here ( there).

Add in the Swedish rape scandal, police watching on whilst new years eve revellers were molested all over Europe and you have a news story which is far bigger on the States than over here.

It's a big topic with the alt right as well. Right wing radio shock jocks are important over there. Along with heads of state Trump called Alex Jones at infowars and promised to appear on his show soon. Guess what one of his bugbears has been?

As Obama mocked Trump there is a grain of truth in what he said. I suspect he'll be looking at swamps outside of Washington too, aided by our Nigel who still has quite a bee in his bonnet over such things himself. Can't imagine why.

GlassCircles · 18/11/2016 09:47

He will certainly fire anyone who doesn't come up to scratch because he said "this is not a game". He was in the Apprentice and "you're fired" was his line. He says he will drain the swamp and anyone not up to it will have to go.

Whilst it might work when you own and control the company, he can't fire the rest if the world if it doesn't cooperate. Let's hope he learns to know and manage his boundaries very well. ime this type, whilst often very politically astute and manipulative, tends to get carried away by vanity alliances which skews their judgement.

GlassCircles · 18/11/2016 09:33

Absolutely because Trump needs people he can trust 100% because he is up against "the corrupt global establishment" and they don't play games and they have more money than Trump.

The only flaw in this plan is that a) hiring people on the basis of loyalty rather than ability isn't terribly smart in the long run if they can't do their jobs properly b) working with family and friends has a tendency to go tits up, leaving the person in the position of power isolated, angry and dangerous, with no 'real' professionals to shore up their working life.

GlassCircles · 18/11/2016 09:25

Hi claig - thanks for your detailed response Smile I'll post again in a bit re what you have said.

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