Trump

Willfully spreading conspiracy theories to discredit opponents.
Threatening to "lock up" political opponents.
Standing in front of fervent rallies inciting criminal acts.
Exploiting security fears to remove civil liberties.
Demonisation of human rights, liberalism and feminism.
Scapegoating unpopular minorities.
Nostalgic nationalism.
Vastly increasing military power.
Furious reaction to media criticism, and attempts to bully the press.

Sorry but the above is true, when people try to discuss what Trump actually stands for we get 'elite , Blair', on and on. Or well he will change his mind he will lie because he's a maverick. I have no idea what most people on this thread feel about some of the things Trump said. What do people feel about the things he said about assaulting women.

Glass: Either Trump believes his own rhetoric, in which case he is a fascist.
Or he doesn't, in which case he is a manipulative, cynical liar of the worst kind who is willing to stir up shit and exploit tensions and divisions for power.

Does your test for media bias go something like this?

"Does this article reinforce my strongly held opinion?"
:If yes, keep on beleiveing it more convinced than ever!
:If no, it's a smear by the liberal Oxbridge Elite!"

Lweji is a poster who typifies what I posted about. Fortunately, after Trump's win, she has mainly posted on other threads so there has been less abuse on this one.

Challenging your opinions is abuse?
That is typical of a fascist mindset, btw.
I don't recall calling anyone fascist, actually. But Trump's campaign had been not too dissimilar to other totalitarian and populist (in the bad sense) leaders.

I mostly feel sorry for you Trump supporters. For many reasons.

I don't think Trump himself is a white supremacist, but you have to ask why he is so appealing to far right groups? He seems happy to pick up their votes whilst accepting no responsibility for the ugly ramifications.

Claig, I have seen you post a lot on heredon't think you're a fascist at all. I think you are willing to support a fascist, but only because you don't realise what he is.
I have respect for your sense of humour and politeness, but I think you are very very wrong about the men you worship.

Because when myself and others do try and criticise his actual policies what there is of them you don't engage with us.
You either:
-Bang on about Oxbridge establishment elite journalist bias.
-engage in bizzarre whataboutery (Isis! Blair! Emails! Guantanamo!) to divert the conversation
-Call us Blairites
-Complain that I've called you nasty names. When I haven't.

*"Is there any media coverage that doesn't constitute a 100% glowing endorsement of Trump etc that you would accept?'

Any media that challenges his anti war policies, his pro peace policies with Russia, his anti globalisation policies etc,"*

I will believe that when I see it....

I don't know who anyone on here is. I could be Hillary Clinton for all you know, so no I am making no assumptions about the beliefs of posters on here.

The BBC are conspicuously not calling Donald Trump a fascist. It's quite clear from his words and behaviour.

So Claig, Is there any media coverage that doesn't constitute a 100% glowing endorsement of Trump etc that you would accept?

I still don't think all Trump supporters are fascists or racists. If I describe fringe elements as "fascists" or "white supremacists" and that doesn't apply to you, then I am probably not talking about you. I've not seen any Trump supporter on this thread actually speak up to condemn the extreme alt-right though. And the extreme alt-right are fascist white supremacists.

Chris, I am also concerned about the snoopers charter. But I'm not going to be dragged into a discussion about it on here because that would be a diversion. It's almost like you don't want to talk about Trump or his policies.....

Claig, journalists are supposed to be critical of politicians. especially those wielding massive power. Is there any media coverage that doesn't constitute a 100% glowing endorsement of Trump etc that you would accept? Or is holding him to account always "bullying"??

Southall girl: "Those screeching against an election that has not gone their way are really the bigots. Some on this thread too." I am not screeching. I am disagreeing. As Claig said "It is all about respect for people and their different opinions".........."or denying their right to hold different opinions, and respect for democracy."

Sorry...think that link was paywalled too. Heres another, but a cursory search on 'snoopers' charter will give you what you need.

www.ibtimes.co.uk/what-snoopers-charter-should-you-be-worried-heres-everything-you-need-know-1593046

"Surely the scariest thread on MN. Well done to those attempting to counter the dangerous views expressed. I wandered in whilst having a mooch and am also gobsmacked. I honestly think some in here are unhinged."

Shirley, (which dangerous views are you refering to?) I think you can take comfort in knowing that threads like this, freedom of speech, open and free elections, will be a thing of the past by the end of this year.

This doesnt just apply to UK based agencies to use to monitor our every key press, ANY country or world wide organisation who wishes to go through your web browsing history, your phone texts, your email, your banking transactions, your medical records etc etc, can do so if they claim a 'possible' security risk to them also. No evidence required of course, but in the governments desperation to make their actions legal following the Snowden leaks, they have just passed a law that has exposed every UK citizen to the world.

The UK, leading the world in state surveillance. Makes you proud doesnt it.

www.ft.com/content/40d2ede4-adac-11e6-9cb3-bb8207902122

"when fascist propaganda is smearing itself all over these boards you have to call it out."

which is a disgusting smear on Trump supporters

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck...