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claig · 12/11/2016 08:30

Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

Article from another thread

"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

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GlassCircles · 24/11/2016 14:29

They will do whatever Trump wants and they won't ask questions.

Why - because they believe he is genuinely mad? What if they are even madder?

claig · 24/11/2016 14:27

Trump wouldn't need to threaten anyone. All that would be needed is an announcement saying "we have a phonecall from President Trump" and the panic and palaver would be a sight to behold. They will do whatever Trump wants and they won't ask questions.

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OhYouBadBadKitten · 24/11/2016 14:25

and if they stood up to him? what happens next?

GlassCircles · 24/11/2016 14:24

Oh, so he'd threaten to bomb them, 'like an elite'.

claig · 24/11/2016 14:18

'what would Trump do to them that would make them fear him so much?'

This was published in the Guardian. Occasionally, when they are not spinning desperately against Trump, they do publish some things on how things really work

"Bush threatened to bomb Pakistan, says Musharraf

The Bush administration threatened to bomb Pakistan "back to the stone age" after the September 11 attacks if the country did not cooperate with America's war on Afghanistan, it emerged yesterday.

In an interview to be aired on CBS television this weekend Pakistan's president, General Pervez Musharraf, said the threat was delivered by the assistant secretary of state, Richard Armitage, in conversations with Pakistan's intelligence director.

"The intelligence director told me that (Mr Armitage) said, 'Be prepared to be bombed. Be prepared to go back to the stone age'," Gen Musharraf was quoted as saying. The revelation that the US used extreme pressure to secure Pakistan's cooperation in the war on terror arrived at a time of renewed unease in the US about its frontline ally.
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Gen Musharraf told CBS he was stunned at the bluntness of the US approach in the aftermath of the attacks. "I think it was a very rude remark," he said. But he yielded to the request.

www.theguardian.com/world/2006/sep/22/pakistan.usa

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Kaija · 24/11/2016 14:14

"Only the baddies and elites"

Remembering of course that "elites" has now been redefined as anyone who has ever read a book and isn't keen on dictators.

Kaija · 24/11/2016 14:12

The Strong Man is very much his Shtick.

Historically this sort of thing doesn't end well.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 24/11/2016 14:11

what would Trump do to them that would make them fear him so much?

claig · 24/11/2016 14:10

' will this obedience though terror extend to members of his staff, and his citizens?'

Absolutely not. Only the baddies and elites will receive Trump's wrath.

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GlassCircles · 24/11/2016 14:08

When Trump picks up the phone and says "Jump" to the backers of the Jihadis, they will literally say "how high, Sir?".

Wow - will this obedience though terror extend to members of his staff, and his citizens?

Kaija · 24/11/2016 14:04

Looks a lot like it, and that's without the voter suppression.

Lweji · 24/11/2016 14:03

All this, assuming that a recount doesn't change the results.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/nov/23/jill-stein-election-recount-fund-michigan-wisconsin-pennsylvania

Could it have been rigged after all? Hmm

claig · 24/11/2016 13:59

'And why exactly will these people do Trump's bidding (if indeed they do anything of the sort)? 'And why exactly will these people do Trump's bidding (if indeed they do anything of the sort)? '

Have you not witnnessed the panic of the media teams on the news channels over Trump? Have you not heard how world leaders are terrified of Trump? When Trump picks up the phone and says "Jump" to the backers of the Jihadis, they will literally say "how high, Sir?". It s all over, just one phonecall from Trump will end the whole thing.

' What will they want in return?'

They won't dare ask for anything in return or Trump will put the general known as "Mad Dog" Mattis on the line to have a friendly word with them.

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GlassCircles · 24/11/2016 13:54

I think Trump will do it by a few phonecalls to the backers of the Jihadis and Isis and will tell them to stop funding them. Then he will probably phone Putin and do a deal where Putin and Assad etc have free rein to sort Isis and the Jihadis out. It will end so quickly that the media teams will be at a loss to explain why it lasted for 6 years and couldn't have been ended years ago.

And why exactly will these people do Trump's bidding (if indeed they do anything of the sort)? What will they want in return?

Kaija · 24/11/2016 13:53

It is not "the people's revolution".

As there's a lot of it about lately, this might be a good time to remind ourselves of the seven devices of propaganda. Just in case we should encounter this sort of thing:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/InstituteforrPropagandaAnalysis

claig · 24/11/2016 13:50

'Do you really believe that?
See you in 6 months.'

I believe that Trump will end the Syrian war in way under 6 months. He is not a "career politician", he is not "bought and paid for". That is why the elites are so scared.

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claig · 24/11/2016 13:49

'Tony Blair didn't call his opponents silly names.'

Bliar did worse than that. He said that his own party's members needed "a heart transplant" if they were thinking of voting for Corbyn, who is far more popular than Establishment Blair, and Blair also said in one of his speeches from a mountain top, written by a team of teenage whizzkids, addressing the little people down below, that the people couldn't be trusted with making a "sensible choice" over the EU (i.e. presumably a choice that the elite didn't approve of).

And now things have got so desperate for the elites with the people's populist revolution toppling them and their media worldwide that some teenage whizzkids have got together and begged Blair to make a comeback and save them.

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Kaija · 24/11/2016 13:43

It is not "the people's revolution". Quite the reverse.

The same glittering generalities again and again.

Lweji · 24/11/2016 13:41

I think Trump will do it by a few phonecalls to the backers of the Jihadis and Isis and will tell them to stop funding them. Then he will probably phone Putin and do a deal where Putin and Assad etc have free rein to sort Isis and the Jihadis out. It will end so quickly that the media teams will be at a loss to explain why it lasted for 6 years and couldn't have been ended years ago.

Do you really believe that?
See you in 6 months.

Lweji · 24/11/2016 13:38

'There's a difference between giving voice to discontent and being an arse.'

Of course there is a difference between Trump and Blair

Tony Blair didn't call his opponents silly names.

claig · 24/11/2016 13:37

'Still, if it bothers you, just think of it as "satirical".'

I see it as "political", the Establishment's attempt to stop Trump and the people's revolution. But in the biggest media onslaught ever seen in history against a political candidate, all the teams failed and the people saw through them all. Social media defeated mainstream media and the elite are worried as they only have mainstream media to fool the people with. Now Trump is bypassing the mainstream media and using youtue and twitter to communicate with the people and nes hsts and anchrs are desperate. Jon Snow is hopping mad, shouting at guests as if he has ants in his pants, so nothing different there then.

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Kaija · 24/11/2016 13:33

That is not very specific. Nor is there anything to suggest that either of those things are not true.

Still, if it bothers you, just think of it as "satirical".

claig · 24/11/2016 13:27

'What lies, specifically, have the Guardian written about Trump?'

The stuff about him being a racist and a threat to civilization etc. The sort of stuff they used in Brexit too.

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Kaija · 24/11/2016 13:23

What lies, specifically, have the Guardian written about Trump?

claig · 24/11/2016 13:23

'Do you have an approximate date for this overnight event? How will he do it?'

No, I haven't got a date. I think Trump will do it by a few phonecalls to the backers of the Jihadis and Isis and will tell them to stop funding them. Then he will probably phone Putin and do a deal where Putin and Assad etc have free rein to sort Isis and the Jihadis out. It will end so quickly that the media teams will be at a loss to explain why it lasted for 6 years and couldn't have been ended years ago.

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