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claig · 12/11/2016 08:30

Another Trump thread for those who want to discuss what it all means

Article from another thread

"History Tells Us What Will Happen Next With Brexit And Trump"

www.huffingtonpost.com/tobias-stone/history-tells-us-what-will-brexit-trump_b_11179774.html?

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claig · 24/11/2016 20:16

Macedonia. Global hub for Trump misinfo.

As Trump would say "Give me a break". They think people are stupid.

Anyone who followed the news knows that the Pope had a go at Trump and said building a wall was not Christian. But it didn't succeed in stopping Trump. Nothing the global elite did succeeded in stopping Trump.

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SwedishEdith · 24/11/2016 20:14

Why doesn't Trump just tweet "White supremacists and neo-Nazis have no place in a civilised America. VERY NASTY PEOPLE"?

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claig · 24/11/2016 20:12

'And yet you are such a fan of May and Johnson.'

I am a fan of Theresa May, not particularly Johnson who called Trump "unfit".

'Claig did you not see the part about the fake news creators in Macedonia? It was fascinating.'

Yes, it was desperate mainstream media stuff trying to prove that they are the "truth". The Macedonians didn't even speak good English. All their "fake" stories are in perfect English because they mainly emanate from teh US, presumably, as they contain the same stuff as is all over US sites, and the Macedonians presumably just repost it and get some advertising revenue if anyone clicks on those sites.

Channel 4 had to go over to Macedonia to do the report when they should probably have gone to America as the stories were in perfect English, otherwise Amricans wouldn't read them, and they probably come from there. But that doesn't fit the aim of the report, that American voters are being fooled about how to vote due to some 16 year olds in Macedonia who can't even speak good English.

Channel 4 at its finest. Jon Snow, serious face, reporting to the people.

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Kaija · 24/11/2016 20:12

Anyway, it turns out all these kids in Macedonia have been making megabucks by setting up fake pro-Trump news sites with stories like "pope endorses Trump" etc etc.

Stories aimed at the left just don't have the same traction apparently, so aren't worth doing financially.

www.channel4.com/news/fake-news-in-macedonia-who-is-writing-the-stories

www.buzzfeed.com/craigsilverman/how-macedonia-became-a-global-hub-for-pro-trump-misinfo?utm_term=.ufM1xY9Q3#.siKmKj6aq

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claig · 24/11/2016 20:06

'It is indeed the death throes of the MSM.'

Yes, except they are desperately trying to pretend that they represent the "truth" even after they told us all that Trump had an 8% chance of winning the election and everyone of any importance called him an "unfit" dimwit as well as a racist, misogynist, homophobic bully and ogre.

On the BBC, they have been having reports about how social media should be "regulated" in order for people to receive the truth. It's like Orwell's Big Brother with the "Ministry of Truth" supplying the truth that Clinton is great and Trump is a racist. But the problem they have is that Trump is in power and he has bypassed the lot of them by going direct to social media because he knows that they are in the pockets of his opponents.

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Kaija · 24/11/2016 20:01

And yet you are such a fan of May and Johnson.

Kaija · 24/11/2016 20:00

Claig did you not see the part about the fake news creators in Macedonia? It was fascinating. Think I've seen some of their links on your posts.

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claig · 24/11/2016 20:00

'Is that the same Saudi Arabia that Theresa May and Boris Johnson have been defending selling arms to?'

Absolutely. And there is the Yemen war which is rarely discussed on the BBC and Channel 4 News.

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Chris1234567890 · 24/11/2016 19:59

"Yes, Chris. There is so much in the Wikileaks that is significant. But don't expect the BBC to discuss it, they only like slamming Trump for his twitter account."

Of course theyre not going to cover it Claig. Why let the truth get in the way of a glorious campaign. It is indeed the death throes of the MSM.

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claig · 24/11/2016 19:59

Channel 4 News in overdrive now.

Jon Snow, gatekeeper in chief says "in a post-truth world, how will we ever establish the truth?"

The answer the viewer is supposed to come up with is "listen to Jon"

and Jon then goes on to milk teh gatekeeper role by saying

"so perhaps freedom of speech is more important than the truth?"

the implication almost being that the viewer is supposed to think, "maybe freedom of speech is not as important as the truth according to how Jon sees it".

Theyre desperate. Trump has tipped over the entire applecart.

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Kaija · 24/11/2016 19:55

Is that the same Saudi Arabia that Theresa May and Boris Johnson have been defending selling arms to?

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claig · 24/11/2016 19:53

Yes, Chris. There is so much in the Wikileaks that is significant. But don't expect the BBC to discuss it, they only like slamming Trump for his twitter account.

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Chris1234567890 · 24/11/2016 19:51

Typo...... DNC Apols

Chris1234567890 · 24/11/2016 19:50

"This is the most significant email in the whole collection"

Oh I dont know Claig. Im still enjoying Hillarys memo instructing the DMC to elevate Trumps candidacy as a "pied piper" candidate....... Its still a beautiful moment, discovering she put him there, with her own money......

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claig · 24/11/2016 19:40

"Julian Assange: Isis and Clinton Foundation are both funded by Saudi Arabia and Qatar

‘This is the most significant email in the whole collection’

www.independent.co.uk/news/people/julian-assange-clinton-foundation-isis-same-money-saudi-arabia-qatar-funding-a7397211.html

Not sure if the Oxbridge teams investigated this as much as they reported on anyone they could find that accused Trump of racism.

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claig · 24/11/2016 19:37

"Podesta leaks show Clinton email linking Saudi Arabia, Qatar to ISIS"

www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/10/11/podesta-leaks-show-clinton-email-linking-saudi-arabia-qatar-to-isis.html

Not sure if the BBC gave this information the same amount of coverage as they gave a tiny group of far right Americans sieg heiling after Trump's win.

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claig · 24/11/2016 19:31

'Er. 'the other side' being who? tens of millions of people who did not vote for Trump and whose lives should not be dictated to by him?'

No, the other side is the billionaires in Saudi Arabia and Qatar who are backing and funding the Jihadis and Isis.

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Chris1234567890 · 24/11/2016 19:26

"Gone is the forked tongue, mealy-mouthed method of speaking to the nation and to the press."

Absolutely agree with that. We should all, whatever allegiances we have, be totally grateful and supportive of Julian Assange. Public servants forgot a long time ago who they are answerable to, 2016 has indeed been an astonishing year when 2 nations reminded them.

buckingfrolicks · 24/11/2016 19:25

"The other side is not stupid. One phone call will be enough. Just the mention of the two words "Donald Trump" is on the line will send the into a tizzy."

Er. 'the other side' being who? tens of millions of people who did not vote for Trump and whose lives should not be dictated to by him?

sarsleypage · 24/11/2016 19:22

Southall, have you actually read about Trump?

From wiki:

An analysis of Trump's business career by The Economist in 2016, concludes that his "... performance [from 1985 to 2016] has been mediocre compared with the stock market and property in New York," noting both his successes and bankruptcies

Kaija · 24/11/2016 19:20

Southall, that is a beautiful expression of the motivation for electing demagogues and dictators.

Unfortunately I can't think of an example where it ends well.

Chris1234567890 · 24/11/2016 19:09

"Mind you, Chrisnumbers thought that the snoopers charter will bring down mumsnet, so we have some resident "analysts" on here."

No I didnt say that either. Please read what I did say, but what really concerns me is that from January, anyone on here showing any support for Trump policies can and may be reported by hysterical posters believing the 'all Trump supporters are fascist nazi racists because he is' ......bullshit. Oh not to mention utterly twisting and mis quoting posters posts as they go.......

You squishy, are what concerns me about the new powers of the snoopers charter.

Southallgirl · 24/11/2016 19:02

I see Trump as a hard-nosed, straight-talking businessman, who is a master of strategy and tactics. That is what America needs. He got my attention. I for one sat up and listened when he first declared his intention to run and thought what a marvellous opportunity this is for the West.

Enough of the shilly-shallying way of talking; the only way to solve a problem is to identify it and then find a solution - which is not always the ideal solution but a solution nevertheless. Gone is the forked tongue, mealy-mouthed method of speaking to the nation and to the press.

Chris1234567890 · 24/11/2016 18:56

"I would respect Trump supporters more on this thread if they actually did condemn the scary fringe more. When I mentioned an act of far right terrorism, Chrisnumbers jumped straight in with a "what about Isis?" (btw, I do condemn Isis)."

I also hate, when peolpe put in quotes, something someone never said. I never said "what about isis?" You threw the flash bang in the room using the horrific murder of Jo Cox.

On the Trump thread? Really? What connection were you making?

Chris1234567890 · 24/11/2016 18:48

"Chris, I am also concerned about the snoopers charter. But I'm not going to be dragged into a discussion about it on here because that would be a diversion. It's almost like you don't want to talk about Trump or his policies....."

I hate it when someone turns up late at a party......... Please read the thread.

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