Help protect children from gaming harms.

Take our survey

Please or to access all these features

Politics

Best article EVER on Trump win

106 replies

RhodaBull · 11/11/2016 13:57

Just read this and it really hits the nail on the head. And I am "blue" fwiw...

www.cracked.com/blog/6-reasons-trumps-rise-that-no-one-talks-about/

OP posts:
MickleTonster · 12/11/2016 09:04

Ha I meant non white not Jon whites!

Just watched the Pie video and it raises valid points. I am a leftie who has probably taken a sticking-my-finger-in-my-ears approach to some things people on the "other side" have been saying and that has been incredibly arrogorant of me. I probably would've stuck my fingers in my ears about what you were saying pluto30 and been quite dismissive Blush

2kids2dogsnosense · 12/11/2016 09:01

Hear, hear Brickbeard

CaptainBrickbeard · 12/11/2016 09:00

The thing is, I've heard this argument articulated in Brexit debates as well and I get it - people who are poor, ridiculed, excluded and losing their way of life are angry at the wealthy elite and the establishment who not only don't understand them but are barely aware of their existence - hence the shock and horror at these votes which seem to come from nowhere, because these people are left out of all the political analysis so no one sees the result coming. I get that.

But what no one can explain to me is why, oh why, do people wanting to tear down the elite then put their faith in this phenomenally rich, old men who absolutely EXEMPLIFY the elite establishment and who are precisely NOTHING about the communities who are voting for them, who care only about furthering their own power and ambition and will grind the poor further and further into misery i.e. Trump and Farage? Men who are absolutely bloated with privilege, who have reaped the rewards of a society which exploits and demeans the poor, men who will do nothing to address inequality of wealth distribution but are working to push the billionaires further into the stratosphere of fabulous, unimaginable wealth and prosperity diverting all of it upwards. How on earth does a billionaire like Trump manage to position himself as anti-establishment? He is not going to act in the interests of these people and their communities and I think that's where my frustration lies.

scaevola · 12/11/2016 08:56

There was a good article in the Independent yesterday: "No, David Cameron's EU referendum wasn't a mistake - and Brexit didn't come from a campaign of lies either"

www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-david-cameron-didn-t-make-a-mistake-in-promising-an-eu-referendum-a7409006.html

Julius02 · 12/11/2016 08:48

Thanks for posting the Jonathan Pie video. Very interesting and thought provoking and many of the things he said could equally apply to Brexit. I didn't vote to leave but was horrified at the insults hurled at those who did.

Pluto30 · 12/11/2016 08:45

Mickle I tried to make a similar point the other day when everyone was in a flap. I think it's a good dose of reality to remember that there are people in such incredibly dire situations in the world (poverty stricken, underdeveloped countries etc) that they wouldn't even be aware that this election has happened. That's truly devastating. While we sit here and rant and rave (whichever side you're on!) about the opposition/their followers, there are people who are truly without hope in the world.

Roussette · 12/11/2016 08:39

Mickle and yes that person is totally right. But I suppose 'we' are just looking at what might happen and not what is happening, which isn't right. I just think a lot of us are in complete shock. I do hope DT gets some good people around him. He is just one man after all

MickleTonster · 12/11/2016 08:34

Roussette I shared that article with a few people and one of them who does not live in the U.K. pointed out that it completely ignores all the wars that have been raging on at Western intervention.

She said that it's almost funny to see us all panic because we think the apocalypse is nigh (I have been guilty of this) whilst ignoring the fact that people are really experiencing war in horrific ways, and a lot of that has been inflicted by us.

It certainly gave me pause for thought (although I am devastated that someone who so clearly hates women, disabled people and Jon whites - 2 out of 3 which apply to me - has been appointed to the role of leader of the free world).

Roussette · 12/11/2016 08:33

It was honestly a typographical error... I was multi tasking with eyes half shut!

What are your thoughts on the article... curious Smile

My DC1 sent it to me last night. (as an aside ... it must be really hard if your grown up kids have different political views to you. Luckily all my lot and me are singing from the same hymn sheet!)

Roussette · 12/11/2016 08:30

Sorry... claig... should read her thread..

claig · 12/11/2016 08:28

Roussette, I am not a he.

I will start a new thread on Trump and put that article in it. I didn't bother starting a new thread, because nearly everything that could be said has already been said, but I suppose not really, because now it will be about what he is going to do.

MickleTonster · 12/11/2016 08:26

Ha! Just posted this article on another thread. It's a perspective I hadn't considered before and I think it's worth sharing.

Roussette · 12/11/2016 08:22

Interesting article OP.

I would like anyone who can spare the time to read this. Unfortunately, it is depressing reading but necessary I feel.

Somehow we are going to have to build bridges, god knows how.

I would like claig (No. 1 fan of DT on MN) to read this but his thread has finished and no idea if he will look on here.

RubyGoat · 12/11/2016 07:53

Very interesting - and depressing. From this perspective it makes a lot of sense. I really hope that vile man does fix their country for them, it must be in dire need of it.

DioneTheDiabolist · 12/11/2016 02:28

I agree OP.Smile Thank you. I hope people read it.Thanks

Spinflight · 12/11/2016 00:59

I don't think many people have commented as it's self evidently good. :)

For another, purely cultural take..

antimatter · 12/11/2016 00:57

Thank you for sharing!
It all makes sense, in Poland also ultra right party won on the back of similar discontent.
There will be other countries which surprise us too. Unless of course the elite will wake up.

I have been asking on few occasions what the left did for women and the working class in Europe. No answer, no headspace to reflect on it. It's bloody frustrating!
Women are waking up. Who knows what will happen if the working and the under class decides to reclaim their streets.

IKnowWhyACagedBirdSings · 12/11/2016 00:21
.... has to be the funniest send up to date
InfiniteSheldon · 12/11/2016 00:18

^^

iPost · 12/11/2016 00:14

Mango

Just checked my twitter feed. Jonathan Pie better hold onto his ear piece. Global Viraldom beckons.

WrongTrouser · 12/11/2016 00:03

Really interesting article OP. Thanks for posting it.

user1475253854 · 11/11/2016 23:42

Thanks for article OP. I think it's hard to get your head around the massive-ness of the US (why am I not a writer?!). If you think of villages here and how isolated they can feel, it must be a hell of a lot more in America.

MangoMoon · 11/11/2016 23:33

Another brilliant article, thanks iPost!

iPost · 11/11/2016 23:20

I'm not sure if articles of this bent will be just a trickle that dries up almost as soon as it begins, or indicates a trickle that will become a steady drip drip drip...but I'll add this one that I just saw..

Commentary: The unbearable smugness of the press

www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-the-unbearable-smugness-of-the-press-presidential-election-2016/
,

Oreocrumbs · 11/11/2016 23:01

Thanks for sharing this op.

And a little bump for the late crowd. It is an interesting article and I'm surprised there hasn't been more discussion on this thread.

Swipe left for the next trending thread