Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

On SNL and Trump, did you see the comments to his comment?

Which MNetter wrote: "U k hun?"

And something like: are you 12?

I'll just put a reminder here, though.

It IS a sin to sexually assault women.

I was about to post a response to some comments above, but then I realised the futility of trying to show Drumf supporters quite what an idiot he is. they are seemingly blinkered to anything but spouting what an establishment shill Hillary is.

Having said that..... have you seen his comments about SNL? Hilarious.

2015 - great show - look how easily I take a joke.
2016 - they are big blue meanies and I don't wanna play anymore....

What is sad is that the Democrats seem to be pushed further right too.
Since when it's a sin to want to legalise illegal immigrants or dream of open borders? It's only a sin when immigrants are demonised and the administration doesn't want to take responsibility for economic problems.
Having said that, employment got worse due to the crisis inherited by GOP administration lack of regulations, and has got better. Unlike what GOP claims.

If the Republicans had just chosen a moderate, who said they would cut back immigration to what business needs, they'd have thrashed sleazy Clinton.

But they continued to the far reaches of wingnut mode
Because the GOP is now the Party of Hate
It didn't used to be.
I hope they get thrashed, to save the country. It might also save the Republican Party.

My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders

I don't see anything wrong with that dream. Ideally, it would mean countries would be prosperous enough for the trade to be reciprocal.
It's classified as a dream not as a policy for the next 4 years.

But that speech anticipates future migration flows. It does not only reference the illegal migrants in the county ("My dream is a hemispheric common market, with open trade and open borders [...]).

I've been a higher rate taxpayer for decades

Have I been a sucker to subsidise poor people ?

I paid for the nhs, even though I have had comprehensive private health insurance for 30 years
I paid for schools although I chose to be childfree
I've paid for tax credits, disability allowances and all the other benefits I've never received in my life

No, I don't feel cheated.
The better off MUST subsidise the poor in a civilised country.

I haven't subsidised private healthcare for anyone though.
Obviously that's likely to raise premiums for the better off.
Subsidising via income tax would have spread the load less painfully

Trump's voters are typical rightwing conservatives: very angry that poor people can't just be left to die
It's their own fault they're poor, right ?

So, with that logic, it must be the fault of Trump's voters of they can't do well under globalisation.
Why should the "elite" subsidise Trump's voters ?
e.g. His core vote don't have college degrees, so clearly they haven't bothered to equip themselves to thrive in the modern knowledge-based skills economy.

Read what she said.
She talked about legalising those already there, instead of rejecting them.
Not full open borders.

Even Trump has backed down on expelling hard working illegal immigrants.

Still, many issues have most to do with administration failings than immigration per se.

Lweji - but Hillary's sentiments don't make any sense. If you have 80-odd million unemployed and a quarter of the population of food stamps, then why encourage more people? Why not put all that effort into programmes to get the unemployed and poor back into work?

"This is about last Friday when the networks spent 23 minutes on the Trump tape," he said. "And less than one minute all three networks combined less than one minute on the Hillary Clinton’s secret speeches that were being revealed on WikiLeaks."

maybe because Trump revealed and admitted to sexual assault, vs Hillary being in favour or immigration?

Sure, that's the same level of shock and seriousness in relation to their character.
And if you think they're the same, claig, shame on you.

So, Hillary tells people of a country that was and has been built by immigration that being opposed to any immigration is unAmerican?
Shock horror.

Immigrants are usually easy targets for blame, but actual evidence doesn't back it up. Certainly not at the level of the current electorate perception.
Even Trump wants to encourage some level of immigration, although more of the use and throw away kind.

From the link:

"That’s why immigration reform is so important. [...] Get it fixed so that the people who have been here working hard, building futures, are given the chance to become American citizens. There’s no requirement that they do, but they would be given that path to citizenship,”

“And what I really resent most about the obstructionists is they have such a narrow view of America.[...] They can’t figure out how to invest in the future, so they cut everything.”

“They just have a backward-looking view of America. And they play on people’s fears, not on people’s hopes, and they have to be rejected. [...] They have to be rejected because they are fundamentally unAmerican [sic],”

dailycaller.com/2016/10/15/hillary-in-goldman-sachs-speech-people-who-oppose-immigration-are-un-american/#ixzz4NJkbCWdf

I don't see much wrong with that.

That life news is quite interesting. So as well as Syria he disagrees with Pence on abortion?

Yes, he is cutting taxpayer funding for abortions

No, he's proposing to take away funding for all PP's operations whilst it continues to provide abortions. So that's services like help in preventing and treating STDs, vasectomies, contraception, and breast and cervical cancer screening. And, for all he talks about diverting funds to community health centres, that really isn't going to fill the gap - particularly if they want to offer help with terminations also.

So, if you're poor and female, forget having autonomy over your own body in Trump's world.

From Trump's own desk:

"I am committed to:
- Nominating pro-life justices to the U.S. Supreme Court.

•  Signing into law the Pain-Capable Unborn Child Protection Act, which would end painful late-term abortions nationwide.
•  Defunding Planned Parenthood as long as they continue to perform abortions, and re-allocating their funding to community health centers that provide comprehensive health care for women.

No sensible newspaper can support that stance.

If you had a law that made it explicit that healthy people are going to pay in and sick people are going to get subsidies, it would not have passed," he added.

Thank goodness he wasn't around when the National Health Service Bill was going through Parliament in 1945/6.