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Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

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claig · 16/10/2016 13:57

Oct 20th 2 am UK time.

Last chance for the Establishment to stop the Trump surge in the polls.
World leaders will be watching, Establishments will be tuning in on the edge of their seats in trepidation.

People will be laughing, diving into the popcorn and knocking back the alcohol.

Round 3. Rock'n'roll.

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claig · 17/10/2016 23:10

'therefore the only "truth" is what gets repeated the loudest and the most often. Wouldn't you say?'

No, which is why I don't believe the mainstream corporate Murdoch media.

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claig · 17/10/2016 23:08

'Powell's wife was worried about his safety - from the far right wingnuts.'

Not Republican voters. far right Neo Nazis, they are not Republicans.

'"Benghazi is a stupid witch hunt"'

She is a Bush Establishmentarian. The Republican Party and Congress do not think it is a stupid withhunt when an American Ambassador and Americans died without receiving help from forces nearby.

' Colin Powell considers^ Donald Trump to be a “racist” and a^ “national disgrace.”'

And Dr Ben Carson and Dr Alveda King don't. Colin Powell believed the old "yellow cake" line.

'Powell openly defended Obama against Trump’s racially motivated claims that Obama was born outside the United States.'

It had nothing to do with race. It was about legitimacy just as when Trump said that Ted Cruz was a Canadian.

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Kaija · 17/10/2016 23:08

Claig it's a wonder you can get out of bed in the morning for not believing the floor will be there.

But of course it is a vital tool for any keen propagandist - nothing can be trusted, therefore the only "truth" is what gets repeated the loudest and the most often. Wouldn't you say?

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2016 23:07

The Brexit polls were neck and neck.
There was 1 freak poll, but I can't remember how it was carried out.
However, a series of professional polls, carried out by different firms, then averaged, should be within margin of error, which is +/- 3% for standard sample size.

We've been here before, with that Republican producing "unskewed" polls for the 2012 election.
That guy admits he was wrong and has refused to unskew polls this time.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2016 23:02

African American Republicans

Condoleeza Rice and Colin Powell would have been wonderful candidates - talented moderate conservatives - but they both decided over the years that they wouldn't have a chance in the current GOP.
Powell's wife was worried about his safety - from the far right wingnuts.

They are the 2 most recent Republican Secretaries of State, just before Clinton and their Emails have also been leaked, revealing v interesting opinions:

http://www.dailynewsbin.com/news/colin-powell-and-condoleezza-rice-think-benghazi-is-just-a-stupid-witch-hunt/26039/

"Benghazi is a stupid witch hunt"
"Agreed"

" Colin Powell^ considers^ Donald Trump to be a “racist” and a “national disgrace.”
Powell openly defended Obama against Trump’s racially motivated claims that Obama was born outside the United States.

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claig · 17/10/2016 22:52

There were tears in Number Ten, Keith Vaz was almost in tears on the BBC when they told him what the people had decided. We beat them all despite their polls and spin and tricks and threats.

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claig · 17/10/2016 22:51

I didn't believe the Brexit poll on the eve of the vote where the Establishment reported that they were 10 points ahead of the people, and I was right, we the people beat the lot of them.

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claig · 17/10/2016 22:50

'So what do you think the map tells us?'

I don't believe the polls that the mainstream media are reporting.

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Room101isWhereIUsedToLive · 17/10/2016 22:49

And the women who can't afford it end up dying from having abortions performed be unqualified butchers.
I do think in a lot of ways, the USA has a long way to go before it could actually be defined as 'civilized'.
Looking at the way medical insurance companies operate over there makes me feel sick.
The whole communities that have ended up poisoned as a consequence of the way manufacturing corporations and mining corporations have operated.
The devastation that has been caused to the natural environment by the same entities.
The fact that they get away with it.
Trump won't change that. He is as greasy as the rest of them.

Kaija · 17/10/2016 22:47

Yes Claig, repetition. It seems to work so well for you.

So what do you think the map tells us? Here it is again in case you missed it:

Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.
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claig · 17/10/2016 22:43

'Those scum poisoned the Republican party and it's only got sicker.'

Have you forgotten about Condoleeza Rice? The Democrats were the Southern Ku Klux Klan party historically, the Republicans were the party of Abraham Lincoln who opposed the Southern landowners.

'African Americans have turned overwhelmingly to the Democrats - averaging 88% since 1980 and reaching 93% with Obama.'

Not this time. They won't be fooled again. That is why the Stump for Trump Sisters, who used to be registered Democrats, have "ditched and switched" and are voting for Donald Trump. There will be many like them who won't turn out for Wall Street Hillary and will vote for Trump instead, despite the lies of the corporate media.

'No other group votes anywhere near so overwhelmingly for one political party '

Young black voters are not keen on Hillary, they won't turn out for her in large numbers. The black barber shown on the BBC Newsnight report on Youngstown Ohio has switched from Obama to Trump.

'Are you really asking why cops wouldn't get sacked for intimidation ? '

Cops are taken to court for wrongdoing and if they had interfered with an election by intimidating voters then a Democratic government under Obama would have prosecuted them.

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2016 22:39

Abortion is only ever illegal for poor women.
Anyone with money can fly to a comfy clinic in another state

In entire countries where abortion is illegal, they just fly to say Switzerland or London e.g. where Irish conservative politicians have sent their pregnant mistresses.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2016 22:34

Yes, many Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act and many Republicans voted for it.
That's why it became a turning point:
within a few years, Nixon with his "Southern Strategy" was able to take that whole chunk of Southern Democratic votes, the scum of the Democrats, into the Republican party.
Those scum poisoned the Republican party and it's only got sicker.

As the Republicans have pandered to their racist right wing, African Americans have turned overwhelmingly to the Democrats - averaging 88% since 1980 and reaching 93% with Obama.
So the Republicans regard them as even more of an enemy... a vicious spiral.

No other group votes anywhere near so overwhelmingly for one political party

Are you really asking why cops wouldn't get sacked for intimidation ? They don't even get sacked for murder of unarmed people.

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claig · 17/10/2016 22:32

'Here's that voting map again'

Repetition

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Kaija · 17/10/2016 22:29

Repetition, repetition, repetition.

Here's that voting map again

Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.
Room101isWhereIUsedToLive · 17/10/2016 22:28

I just need to point out that none of the federal funding that Planned Parenthood receives at the moment goes towards abortion. Not a single goddamn penny.
I have a friend who is a nurse for Planned Parenthood in Pennsylvania. The majority of her work is providing maternity care for low income families.
It really gets my fucking goat when people harp on about the access to abortions that Planned Parenthood provides, when it is actually one small element of what they do. And a needed element at that.

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claig · 17/10/2016 22:19

'Have you listened to what Trump voters think about African Americans ?'

Of course I have, I listen to everything the African American Stump for Trump Sisters say, as do other Trump fans because they are a Trump fan favourite.

'Read the typical comments on Republican sites ?'

That must be Establishment operatives working undercover because everybody loves the Stump for Trump Sisters, Don King, Dr Ben Carson, Dr Alveda King, "999" Herman Cain and the absolutely brilliant black Sheriff, David Clarke.

'When Democratic President Johnson brought in the Civil Rights Act'

From what I have heard, it was passed due to Republican votes and many Democrats were against it, just like Senator Robert Byrd, Ku Klux Klan Grand Cyclops, and "mentor" to Hillary Clinton, was.

'this is why some Trump supporters plan to go to the outer legal limits to intimidate them at the polling stations - encouraged by Trump.'

Oh give over. You will be surprised by ho many black voters turn out for Trump. They aren't fooled by Hillary and Wall Street who want "open borders" so that their jobs are shipped abroad.

'The RNC also allegedly enlisted the help of off-duty sheriffs'

Allegedly. Why weren't they all sued and sacked if that was true?

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Kaija · 17/10/2016 22:15

Can anybody be bothered to count up the names Claig has mentioned and work out what percentage of the total African American population of the US they represent?

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2016 22:14

After all the kerfuffle and ego-wanking, this was probablyTrump's original aim:
turning voters into viewers and a very lucrative TV media empire:

www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-tv-ventureus5804d13fe4b0e8c198a8f3cb?

His run is all about the money.
His ego just got out of control and he started to believe he could be President.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2016 22:11

Have you listened to what Trump voters think about African Americans ?
Read the typical comments on Republican sites ?

When Democratic President Johnson brought in the Civil Rights Act, that marked the turning point of the most extraordinary changeover from Republicans freeing the slaves to becoming the party whose defining characteristic is favouring whites and keeping down the former slaves.

Yes, there are a tiny % of African Americans who put economics before Civil Rights of their own people.
About 99% AAs who vote will choose Clinton - this is why some Trump supporters plan to go to the outer legal limits to intimidate them at the polling stations - encouraged by Trump.

The GOP tried organised intimidation before and the Democrats sued them. This could break the legal agreement the 2 parties had:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/08/13/how-donald-trumps-bizarre-voter-watch-effort-could-get-the-gop-in-trouble/

"The RNC also allegedly enlisted the help of off-duty sheriffs and police officers to intimidate voters by standing at polling places in minority precincts during voting with “National Ballot Security Task Force” armbands. Some of the officers allegedly wore firearms in a visible manner."

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claig · 17/10/2016 22:06

Mike Tyson supports Trump, too.

We the people.

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claig · 17/10/2016 22:05

'What Mike Tyson said about Don King: (King is) a wretched, slimy, reptilian motherfucker. This is supposed to be my 'black brother', right? He's just a bad man, a real bad man. He would kill his own mother for a dollar. He's ruthless, he's deplorable, he's greedy ... and he doesn't know how to love anybody.'

OK, but what did Mike Tyson say about Hillary?

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claig · 17/10/2016 22:04

'You were correct regarding your original final debate date in the UK: 20th of October at 2am.'

Great, for a moment I thought the Establishment had tried to trick the people and give us the wrong date so that we would miss Trump defeating the Establishment's candidate in Round 3.

Roger Stone, a friend of Trump, says he thinks Trump should now go for a "scorched earth" strategy in the debate. Don't miss it! It will be electric!

We the People against the Establishment.

Rock'n'roll

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fourmummy · 17/10/2016 21:57

Claig- Apologies. I've just done a Donald. You were correct regarding your original final debate date in the UK: 20th of October at 2am.

lljkk · 17/10/2016 21:56

What Mike Tyson said about Don King: (King is) a wretched, slimy, reptilian motherfucker. This is supposed to be my 'black brother', right? He's just a bad man, a real bad man. He would kill his own mother for a dollar. He's ruthless, he's deplorable, he's greedy ... and he doesn't know how to love anybody.