Page 30 | Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

claig · 2016-10-16T12:57:52+00:00

Oct 20th 2 am UK time. Last chance for the Establishment to stop the Trump surge in the polls. World leaders will be watching, Establishments will be tuning in on the edge of their seats in trepidation. People will be laughing, diving into the popcorn and knocking back the alcohol. Round 3. Rock'n'roll.

ZuleikaDobson · 18/10/2016 00:01

There are an awful lot of famous black Americans, Claig. The fact that you can only trot out the names of the same few people time after time - and frankly, you are really scraping the barrel with the Stump for Trump sisters and the non-famous relatives - demonstrates the opposite of the point you think you are making.

Do give over with the paranoia, Winchester. It is perfectly clear that you are not being silenced.

Kaija · 17/10/2016 23:58

"Yes, it is estimated he could have up to 15% among African Americans. far higher than Romney or McCain."

Here's that map again

Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

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claig · 17/10/2016 23:56

'I thought he had more backing members of minority communities than previous republican candidates'

Yes, it is estimated he could have up to 15% among African Americans. far higher than Romney or McCain.

The Stump for Trump Sisters were Democrats. They can't stand the Republican Party, but they love Trump and are voting for him alone. The same is true for Don King, he is voting for Trumo inspite of teh fact that the Republican Party elite are anti him. Trump transcends party.

As Jeb Bush said

"he has hijacked my party"

Trump doesn't give a stuff baout the lite and the Establishment, he has driven a bulldozer through their spin and their pieties and he represents the American people against a corrupt Wall Street backed lobby funded puppet class of politcians working againstthe interests of ordinary people.

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Kaija · 17/10/2016 23:56

Some people are very willy nilly with the fascist and far-right accusations. It's like a knee jerk reaction. It reminds me of Clouseau's boss with his eye tic. And there's the homing in and the personal attacks too. Once again we've got people ganging up and trying to silence rather than debate. And yet you're scared of getting deleted too aren't you?

Is that directed at me WinchesterWoman?

birdsdestiny · 17/10/2016 23:55

Some people are very willy nilly with their blairite accusations.
No one is trying to silence anyone. We are allowed to say we think trump and his supporters are racist.

WinchesterWoman · 17/10/2016 23:52

I thought he had more backing members of minority communities than previous republican candidates. I could be wrong but I've seen lots of 'blacks for Trump' 'Latinos for Trump' etc. Inconvenient for people who can't think outside simplistic little boxes or have patronising, racist ideas about how whole groups should vote for based on skin colour.

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claig · 17/10/2016 23:51

'Some people are very willy nilly with the fascist and far-right accusations'

It is usually Blairites, they are anti free speech and pro spin. Establishment versus the people.

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WinchesterWoman · 17/10/2016 23:49

Some people are very willy nilly with the fascist and far-right accusations. It's like a knee jerk reaction. It reminds me of Clouseau's boss with his eye tic. And there's the homing in and the personal attacks too. Once again we've got people ganging up and trying to silence rather than debate. And yet you're scared of getting deleted too aren't you?

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claig · 17/10/2016 23:45

' It makes it only too clear that those are the only names you can find and therefore proves the point that the reality is that he has no appreciable black support.'

They are famous names that people may have heard of. Trump has lots of support from African-Americans who are not famous.

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ZuleikaDobson · 17/10/2016 23:44

Claig, if you want to claim that Trump has a lot of support amongst black people, you really need to stop trotting out the same few names over and over again. It makes it only too clear that those are the only names you can find and therefore proves the point that the reality is that he has no appreciable black support.

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claig · 17/10/2016 23:42

'But I am mildly titillated by being called a Blairite'

Well, you are clearly not a conservative of any description, and you are anti Corbyn, so I assume you must be a Blairite or someone who works for the Orifice of Tony Blair and are miffed that the people have moved on and laugh at him.

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claig · 17/10/2016 23:40

"Trump slams Blair for Iraq War 'disaster' and says Britain's leaders should stand up to US"

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/trump-slams-blair-iraq-war-7986089

No wonder you don't like Trump.

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Kaija · 17/10/2016 23:37

It's not the truth. It's made up rubbish. But I am mildly titillated by being called a Blairite, so thanks for that.

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2016 23:37

Me ? I was never a Blair supporter.

Bernie Sanders on Trump:
(Bernie is NOT the Establishment)
“I have been running all over this country for a year and a half talking about a corrupt tax system. And in one day, Donald Trump did more to explain the corrupt tax system to the American people than I did in a year and a half. Thank you, Donald,”
“What Donald said is, ‘Yeah, I’m a multibillionaire. I’ve got mansions all over the world. But you know what? I, a billionaire, don’t have to pay any taxes and I’m proud of it because you suckers are going to pay the taxes for me,’”

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claig · 17/10/2016 23:35

'More post-factual brilliance'

No, just the truth, something that a Blairite like you is unaccustomed to.

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Kaija · 17/10/2016 23:35

Ha, that's a good one. Here's that voting map again:

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claig · 17/10/2016 23:34

'Trump is looking ever more sinister.'

To you, yes, but not to millions and millions of Americans like Don King, Dr Alveda King and the Stump for Trump Sisters.

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Kaija · 17/10/2016 23:34

See? More post-factual brilliance, just like that. If only some far right organisation could harness this power...

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claig · 17/10/2016 23:31

You are a Blairite, you think any conservatives or populists are fascists. You are anti free speech and accuse anyone who disagrees with Blairism of being a fascist. Millions of Americans are voting for Trump, including the African American Stump for Trump Sisters, Dr Ben Carson, Dr Alveda King, police sheriff David Clarke, boxing promoter Don King, former black Presidential runner, Herman Cain, and black Trump spokeswoman, Katrina Pierson. None of them are fascists.

Unfortunately, the time for Blairites is over. Trump will win and reinstate some populist common sense along with free speech and liberty that the Blairites and Fabians will be unable to prevent despite their best efforts.

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2016 23:29

Benghazi

BigChocFrenzy · 17/10/2016 23:28

The great scandal you've been waiting to break Clinton ?

It seems Trump has been waiting for the Russian Wikileaks - did they give him a heads up ?

However, Newsweek caught out Wikileaks in a faked BenghaI smear against Clinton:

http://europe.newsweek.com/vladimir-putin-sidney-blumenthal-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-benghazi-sputnik-508635?rm=euu_

"The Russians engage in a sloppy disinformation effort and, before the day is out, the Republican nominee for president is standing on a stage reciting the same manufactured story as truth.

How did this happen? "

Who fed Trump campaign false allegations at the same time they were being advanced in a Russian disinformation campaign?
His pal Putin ?

Trump is looking ever more sinister.

Kaija · 17/10/2016 23:26

Anyway, back to Trump:

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

Kaija · 17/10/2016 23:24

No, I've never seen finer fascism on a parenting forum.

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claig · 17/10/2016 23:17

'you are an expert exponent of post-truth political writing for social media.'

Thank you.

'I can honestly say I haven't come across anyone as consistent or prolific in the field.'

Have you not read any Blairites?

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Kaija · 17/10/2016 23:15

You are much too modest, Claig, you are an expert exponent of post-truth political writing for social media. I can honestly say I haven't come across anyone as consistent or prolific in the field.