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Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

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claig · 16/10/2016 13:57

Oct 20th 2 am UK time.

Last chance for the Establishment to stop the Trump surge in the polls.
World leaders will be watching, Establishments will be tuning in on the edge of their seats in trepidation.

People will be laughing, diving into the popcorn and knocking back the alcohol.

Round 3. Rock'n'roll.

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Kaija · 18/10/2016 07:20

Favorability ratings among Hispanics (NBC/WSJ/Telemundo):

MObama +62
BObama +48
HClinton +31
Dems +31
Kaine +13
Pence -6
GOP -41
Trump -67

Lweji · 18/10/2016 07:15

I don't get his appeal at all.

Really?

He appeals to people who are hard line Republicans and treat it like a football club.
Their brains are primed for blind adoration.
Have no respect for women.
Don't like foreigners.
Hate/fear Muslims.
Are anti-choice (see next).
Are anti-life (pro-guns).
Find simple one liners and muddled explanations appealing.
Hate the Democrats.
Hate Hillary.
Think that any fault with a woman. Is worth 10x more than if in a man.
Don't conceive of a world beyond the US, possibly even their own state.

You can pick and mix.

WinchesterWoman · 18/10/2016 01:52

the republican party is unbelievable, wonder how many top brass there are voting hc. It's very telling that the man who literally stole an election is on her side. (W i mean obvs!)

WinchesterWoman · 18/10/2016 01:28

Yes amazing videos of rallies. I still don't understand what it is about him specifically. Why couldn't the republicans have fostered this movement with another candidate. Like, why not carly? I totally understand why not Bush, and Cruz, but they tried with Rubio and it failed miserably. I don't get his appeal. I get the appeal of the movement but I don't get his appeal at all.

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claig · 18/10/2016 00:45

'Members of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign discussed the political importance of pleasing billionaire George Soros in emails published by WikiLeaks.'

Yes, it is said that Soros ditched Hillary when she was running against Obama and swung behind Obama instead and that sealed her fate. Now he is backing Hillary against Trump. He has much more money than trumo and of course the Republican hierarchy aren't helping Trump

"The Republican Party Cuts Off Trump’s Cash And Leaves Their Nominee To Wither And Die"

www.politicususa.com/2016/10/08/republican-party-cuts-trumps-cash-leaves-nominee-wither-die.html

All the elite are "in it together", all petrified of Trump. Trump can't expect any help from them or the corrupt media, he can only rely on the people, the thousands who turn up at rallies and boo the corporate media and watch their lies on TV.

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claig · 18/10/2016 00:22

'By the way did you see the Democrat campaigners video explanation and evidence of how they deliberate start violence at Trump rallies for the TV cameras?'

No, I haven't seen that. But it is known that they are being paid by billionaires to do that. The Establishmentare trying all the tricks they can, but as Newt Gingrich said, it is amazing that Trump is still so close in the polls.

The Establishment is worried. They know they haven't got it in the bag, just like with Brexit, and they are getting desperate. People are not telling them about whom they will really vote for, but the size of the rallies shows the difference. Hillary has ainly had about 1500 over the last few weeks and Trump gets tens of thousands.

If the Establishment can't get Hillary in, they know that they are done for.

The world has never seen anything like it. The American people have had it and are going to put Trump in.

As Don King said "we will create a whole new system. We will tear this system apart. America First .., We the people."

The elite worldwide are stunned by how fast they have lost control. Their silencing techniques, their Blairisms, their spin, their lies, their threats and tricks failed in Brexit and now they are facing their Waterloo in America, the most imporatnt and powerful country on earth.

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WinchesterWoman · 18/10/2016 00:22

Claig: Members of Hillary Clinton’s presidential campaign discussed the political importance of pleasing billionaire George Soros in emails published by WikiLeaks.

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WinchesterWoman · 18/10/2016 00:14

Nobody cares if you stay or go. Just debate properly instead of trying to silence people.

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claig · 18/10/2016 00:14

'Either you keep citing the Stump for Trump sisters because they're allegedly well known, or because they are ordinary people.'

But that is the great thing about the Trump phenomenon. They are ordinary people who have become famous through the Trump movement. Trump fans tune in to their analysis above that of the corporate CNN. The people are choosing to abandon the corporate liars and listen to ordinary people instead and they are now famous.

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WinchesterWoman · 18/10/2016 00:13

Kaiji I would but you're so scared of getting deleted you've worded it so that you won't be. 'oh look at all the fascists' instead of 'you are a fascist' when it's perfectly clear you are trying to smear and silence. And in a pretty cowardly style. At least Claig's got guts.

Kaija · 18/10/2016 00:13

Anyway, it's been fun. A bit like a toy town cable street. But I must go to bed. Happy trumping.

WinchesterWoman · 18/10/2016 00:12

Hey Claig: it's interesting stuff - I always assumed the social justice warriors engineered most of the trouble and violence but it was just that, an assumption. This is one of the organisers explaining how they did it, and - apparently - having routine contact with the Clinton campaign.

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claig · 18/10/2016 00:11

'I'd trust his judgement and knowledge far more than a couple of singing sisters on the make'

That is your choice, but I prefer the Stump for Trump Sisters because I am a populist. They have o pensions to gain, no "yellow cake" history, no Bush/Blair Iraq War legacy to defend. They are just ordinary people and I am with them everytime.

'Blair is a pygmy, a has-been, from a much less important country.'

Of course he is. But Colin Powell is tied to Bush, "yellow cake" and the whole Iraq War.

'Trump is the only politician I've heard him criticise like this and Powell has the usual disagreements with many other politicians'

Did you not read what Colin Powell said about Hillary? I prefer General Mike Flynn, former Head of the Defence intelligence Agency, who supports Trump, to Bush's Colin Powell.

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Kaija · 18/10/2016 00:10

I'm sorry you don't like it WinchesterWoman. Please do report anything you feel is upsetting.

ZuleikaDobson · 18/10/2016 00:10

You can't have it both ways, Claig. Either you keep citing the Stump for Trump sisters because they're allegedly well known, or because they are ordinary people.

birdsdestiny · 18/10/2016 00:09

This blairite stuff is so tedious. Used by Corbyn supporters to describe anyone who doesn't agree with them. Utterly meaningless phrase.

WinchesterWoman · 18/10/2016 00:08

Calling people fascist is absolutely an attempt to silence people. My apologies, Claig. From your postings I assumed you would see it as a compliment. No hard feelings. This sort of thing for example is childish, provocative and more of the same silencing effort. There's a frustration showing that you just can't shut people up quick enough - and Claig I would certainly take that as a compliment.

By the way did you see the Democrat campaigners video explanation and evidence of how they deliberate start violence at Trump rallies for the TV cameras?

Kaija · 18/10/2016 00:07

Ha ha, you're killing me with this Blairite stuff. All the same, it's hard to see how someone cheerleading for a racist fascist like Trump would resent the label.

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claig · 18/10/2016 00:05

' No hard feelings.'

No hard feelings. I understand you are a Blairite, I understand why you do it.

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claig · 18/10/2016 00:03

'you are really scraping the barrel with the Stump for Trump sisters'

On the contrary. To me the Stump for Trump Sisters are more important than Hollywood celebrities or pop stars because they are ordinary people and have nothing to gain by supporting Trump.

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Kaija · 18/10/2016 00:02

My apologies, Claig. From your postings I assumed you would see it as a compliment. No hard feelings.

BigChocFrenzy · 18/10/2016 00:02

Colin Powell is a Republican and served in the Cabinet.
He has given a lifetime of service in the armed forces and then in government
He deserves respect, whatever your politics
(I'd have voted for him or Condeleeza Rice over either of the Clintons, if I'd had the opportunity in a parallel universe)

I'd trust his judgement and knowledge far more than a couple of singing sisters on the make, or a surgeon who thinks the pyramids were god's larder

He has no allegiance to Blair.
Blair is a pygmy, a has-been, from a much less important country.

Colin Powell doesn't throw around accusations of racism - Trump is the only politician I've heard him criticise like this and Powell has the usual disagreements with many other politicians
So, when he calls someone "racist" then I believe him.
So do many others who are uncommited politically

That's the advantage of not calling wolf: you get believed when it matters

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claig · 18/10/2016 00:01

'We are allowed to say we think trump and his supporters are racist.'

Of course you are. But Kaija accuses me of being a fascist which is a smear.

The Stump for Trump Sisters are African-American and I have named the other famous African-Americans who are Trump supporters and they are clearly not racist and black Trump spokeswoman, Katrina Pierson, wouldn't be working for him if he was racist.

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