Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

11 pm UK time

It opens the door for any foreigner to sue the US for past actions. Or for actions done by any groups of US nationals abroad.

Well, they can certainly try. Doesn't mean they'll get anywhere..

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See this about the veto.

I particularly like how the majority leader (!) blames Obama for not having explained his reasons for the veto before they overruled it.

26 senators seem to regret it...

Obama shouldn't have vetoed it, though. As Hillary and Trump (presumably) are in favour, he should simply have left the consequences for them. Why does he even bother?

Funnily enough, Hillary said she'd have signed the bill, but she is campaigning, so she wouldn't want to be seen to go against 9/11 families.

It turns out you and her agree on something, claig. :)

The other Democrats are also campaigning, which I think explains this overrule of the veto, because the public is for this law.

Hope you like this claig

If you think that Trump who will make Mexico pay for the Wall and who will rewrite all the trade deals is going to allow actions against US nationals, then you haven't been paying attention.

I don't think he'll build any wall.
I don't think he would get Mexico to pay for any wall.
I don't think he'll be able to rewrite any trade deals to become more beneficial to the US.
And I struggle to think how he can prevent actions against US nationals or the US as a nation.

You have too much faith in your golden feet of clay idol, claig.

Because he built them together with his children who are in senior management positions and will take over completely. All of his children are workers, not politicians.

Come on, claig, you're not THAT daft.

You know he will have a conflict of interest if his children run his business. He will know the deals they are making and how his politics would influence the deals.
And for the rest of the American people it will look VERY dodgy indeed. (except for blind followers)

Obama criticises decision by lawmakers to issue first veto override of presidency"

I didn't get if you agreed with Obama or not, claig.

If you disagree with his veto, are you aware of the possible consequences of that law?
Even those who overruled his veto are beginning now to realise that it was a stupid law.
It opens the door for any foreigner to sue the US for past actions. Or for actions done by any groups of US nationals abroad.

What WAS the point of that post?

General Motors filed for Chapter 11. It is better than the people bailing out the bankers that was allowed by the political class. It is part of business and allows them to save the jobs of many workers and keep the business going until they are able to recover.

The trouble is that in Trump's case he didn't achieve that, and many workers did lose their jobs. Many others lost their retirement savings directly as a result. In fact one of this businesses filed for Chapter 11 twice, so manifestly it did not recover under Trump's tender care.

His children will run them. He will have nothing to do with them. To be President of the United States is a great honour and Trump will make history as he smashes the "corrupt global stablishment" and the globalists and jails the crooks who have been deceiving and robbing the American people. His business will no longer be of interest to him because he has said to the people at his rallies "I used to work for myself, I was greedy, greedy, greedy for myself, but now I am going to work for you, I will be greedy for you".*

Hang on, that isn't consistent even within one paragraph. If he has no interest in his businesses, why hand them over to his children? And if he smashes the global establishment, it's his businesses, and therefore his children, that will go to the wall.

His children will run them. He will have nothing to do with them.

That's very far from being in a blind trust.

I'd be very concerned.

BTW, Obama may have been at war for longer than a predecessor, but mostly due to the actions of his predecessors (both Bush), particularly W. He was the one who invested in war in Iraq and Afghanistan. The rest is mostly a consequence of that.

Obama (and Hillary) has also constructed more peace deals than his direct predecessor. Even Hillary was instrumental in setting up peace rather than war.

It is very simplistic to say that we know and can deal with sexism but war frightens.
Yes, it does, but the wars that the US is involved with ATM are either necessary or it's only marginally. The US could choose to turn their backs on ISIS, but would most of us (and the US citizens) choose that option?

Sexism is a war without borders. It's a war against women. It would be awful if a sex offender ends up in the White House (again, you may say). But it would also mean that life for women in the US would be more likely to become more difficult rather than easier. Compare the maternity plans between the two candidates, for example. Trump says he was forced by Ivanka to make those proposals, which are still minimal compared to Hillary's.
If that's your candidate, it's your choice.

Word from Trumpers inside the Trump camp is that there is now a general feeling of defeatism - not because they think the vote is rigged, but because despite their best efforts it has become very apparent that the leader is a jerk.

These rantings get more and more bizarre.

Someone honestly holding the view that DT is more stable than HRC. Wow.

Also - why all the ranting about Blair? Pretty sure last time i checked he wasn't on the ballot.

Oh and to say that DT won't have any interest in a company his children is running is laughable and WRONG. All other presidents have put any business interests in a blind trust for the duration of the presidency. Not to do so brings up far far too many conflicts. DT has said yes i will put them in a blind trust run by my kids oh its ok my kids will run the business. Idiocy. He doesnt' even know what a blind trust is.

Claig: But a politician is different to a businessman as a politician has to have the approval of others before taking action. He can't just do whatever he wants.

Absolutely, but as Trump always says, he gets on with everyone, the Chinese, Putin, anyone. That is how he has been a successful businessman.

Successful? Are you kidding? Is your definition of 'successful' someone who's been bankrupt four times? Trump is an amoral crook. Did you know that no major U.S. company has filed for Chapter 11 more than Trump's casino empire in the last 30 years?? How many smaller companies do you think he's taken down with him? (Chapter 11 bankruptcies let a company stay in business while shedding debt it owes to banks, employees and suppliers.) How shit is that?

He is stupid and dangerous. He will be a disaster as president.

Thanks. You support and trust in the man is admirable though very scary.

Sorry - claig