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Original poster

Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

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claig · 16/10/2016 13:57

Oct 20th 2 am UK time.

Last chance for the Establishment to stop the Trump surge in the polls.
World leaders will be watching, Establishments will be tuning in on the edge of their seats in trepidation.

People will be laughing, diving into the popcorn and knocking back the alcohol.

Round 3. Rock'n'roll.

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Kaija · 19/10/2016 19:28

"Trump says lots of things, he exaggerates and speaks metaphorically. What he means is"

And here's the nub of it. Trump does indeed exaggerate, and he blusters and rants and rambles incoherently. Which then allows people of wildly varying politics to say, as Claig has here, "what he means is..." and project their own hopes, fantasies, or political agendas onto him. It's how fascism works and how post-truth politics works.

So he can boast about bombing the hell out of ISIS, and his ostensibly less trigger-happy apologists can say "I don't think Trump wants to bomb anyone" with a straight face. Because none of what he says adds up, so nobody can determine what his intentions actually are.

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claig · 19/10/2016 19:27

'But no-one's laughing'

Trump fans are definitely laughing, just as they laughed when Trump said Hillary should have a drug test before the debate. Watch tonight's debate, there will be more laughs from Trump.

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ZuleikaDobson · 19/10/2016 19:23

I like to hype things up and exaggerate to make politics exciting, it is a laugh.

But no-one's laughing. Try something else?

I must say, I like the idea of the drinking game where you take a swig every time Trump finishes a sentence during the debate. That way, you ensure you go to bed stone-cold sober.

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claig · 19/10/2016 19:23

'So, he doesn't really mean it with the five point ethics plan for Washington?'

There may very well be 6 points in it. That is how Trump rolls.

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Lweji · 19/10/2016 19:21

Trump says lots of things, he exaggerates and speaks metaphorically.

So, he doesn't really mean it with the five point ethics plan for Washington?

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claig · 19/10/2016 19:20

'So he can't put his businesses into his children's hands. What will he do about them?'

I don't know. Is he not allowed to let his children run them? Did Bush's children not run any businesses or Bush's parents and relatives?

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Lweji · 19/10/2016 19:19

Oh, this will go down well:

"Donald Trump has a “five-point plan to defeat Islam,” according to his campaign manager."

You tend to speak the truth when you're not thinking. Just saying.

"He has plans every week" - and they change every week too.

OK, he now has a "drain the swamp" plan for ethics in Washington. Too little too late, or will he be able to save his campaign with this?
www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/10/donald-trumps-plan-to-drain-the-swamp/504569/

ZuleikaDobson · 19/10/2016 19:18

Trump will obey whatever law there is. He will follow the rules.

So he can't put his businesses into his children's hands. What will he do about them?

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claig · 19/10/2016 19:11

Trump says lots of things, he exaggerates and speaks metaphorically. What he means is he will finish Isis and all the rest of the funded mercenaries within weeks.

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Lweji · 19/10/2016 19:08

they have allowed them the same in Aleppo now...

I just hope they don't repeat previous cease fire bombings, including of UN aid convoys:
www.foxnews.com/world/2016/09/20/us-military-reacts-to-fragile-syria-cease-fire-airstrike-hitting-assads-forces.html

And Trump said he'd bomb the hell out of ISIS...

"there would be nothing left" (presumably not even the local populations. Nice)

Lweji · 19/10/2016 19:02

Trump has invited Obama's half brother to tonight's debate. He supports Trump.

The one who WASN'T born in the US?

Oh, I see what they have in common.

"Obama made headlines in 2011 when he married his third wife, who was still in her teens."

He may be right on something, though: “I don’t think politics is my thing,”

WinchesterWoman · 19/10/2016 18:45

I don't think Donald trump wants to bomb anyone.thats part of his appeal. Americans are sick of being asked to intervene and being blamed when they do despite their own losses.

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claig · 19/10/2016 18:45

Just like in other towns in Syria where the Russians and Syrians allowed the civilians and the rebel fighters to leave the towns, they have allowed them the same in Aleppo, but the fighters want to carry on fighting.

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claig · 19/10/2016 18:43

The BBC only ever interviews the 172, they never invite Corbyn on about Syria because he talks sense.

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Lweji · 19/10/2016 18:42

I think the situation is getting very serious, the Russian northern fleet are in the North Sea heading to the Med via the Channel
If Hillary imposes a no fly zone over Syria there will be war.

First, Hillary will only have that power from January (hopefully).
Secondly, if anyone is behaving dangerously here is Putin (who's sending a fleet to the Med, as well as bombing civilian facilities, including hospitals).

But perhaps Trump will just join Putin in the bombing of civilians. He certainly has the temperament for that.

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claig · 19/10/2016 18:41

'If Hillary imposes a no fly zone over Syria there will be war.'

Yes, according to some media reports the Russians have said that if there are any more attacks on the Syrian Army bases etc like the last one which was said to be a "mistake", then they will retaliate.

We have some of the 172 Labour MPs on TV saying we have to show strength etc.

Crazy stuff, all over Syria which has already lasted for 6 years.

Trump has invited Obama's half brother to tonight's debate. He supports Trump.

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claig · 19/10/2016 18:27

'Claig, you sound unhinged'

I like to hype things up and exaggerate to make politics exciting, it is a laugh. That is why I like the Stump for Trump Sisters. They do the same. We are having a laugh by exaggerating.

Some people call the Stump for Trump Sisters "unhinged", I call them gurus.

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Auit · 19/10/2016 18:23

I see you mentioned Jill Steins views on Hillary up thread claig.

I think the situation is getting very serious, the Russian northern fleet are in the North Sea heading to the Med via the Channel

Link

If Hillary imposes a no fly zone over Syria there will be war.

In this video Jill Stein plainly says Hillary is much more dangerous than Trump

WinchesterWoman · 19/10/2016 18:20

Last resort of totalitarians is to ascribe mental ill health to their opponents, cocktail.

CocktailQueen · 19/10/2016 18:17

Claig, you sound unhinged. Fair enough to have strong beliefs, but this is more like blind blinkered faith.

Trump has caused no end of trouble when building his much-disliked golf course at Balmedie, near Aberdeen. He promised 6000 jobs. It's created more like 200. He was an absolute shit to some of the locals - see You've Been Trumped.

And what is billionaire Trump if not the 'Establishment'?? At least Hillary has been in politics for 30 years - she knows what she's talking about. Trump has no idea. He thinks that money and bluster will get him through everything.

The US electoral system is insane - you have to have millions in order to run for office, and you can run for president with absolutely no experience of politics? Crazy.

WinchesterWoman · 19/10/2016 18:03

Anonymous do not diminish the suffering of Jewish people

Lweji · 19/10/2016 16:32

Nor will actions against Saudi Arabia have any consequences, in that case.

I also like this one for the debates. It's good on the Trump tells.