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Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

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claig · 16/10/2016 13:57

Oct 20th 2 am UK time.

Last chance for the Establishment to stop the Trump surge in the polls.
World leaders will be watching, Establishments will be tuning in on the edge of their seats in trepidation.

People will be laughing, diving into the popcorn and knocking back the alcohol.

Round 3. Rock'n'roll.

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Breadandwine · 20/10/2016 18:35

There are different forms of knowledge to describe the world. Religion is one.

How does that work? Since when did superstition become knowledge? Confused

WinchesterWoman · 20/10/2016 18:35

You're saying 'no scientist who believes in man made climate change does not believe in man made climate change'. It's an empty truism.

Kaija · 20/10/2016 18:34

Dralon, yes, to all of that. These are feeling like pretty desperate times, but I'm hopeful that reason will come back into fashion before it's too late.

Perhaps it is a blessing that Trump is so repellant. If he were 1% less obviously monstrous the outcome could be much worse.

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claig · 20/10/2016 18:34

To me, this looks like our Brexit vote.'

Absolutely, Draylon. Our own Steve Hilton, known as 'Cameron's Brain', was on Fox's Hannity Show last night flying the UK flag up there in the midst of the earthsshaking Trump phenomenon and he said it is just like Brexit where the Establishment called the people racist and where those who had never voted before turned out to vote to leave the European Union.

'There's a term, here, called Regreteers. Brexiters who have now recognised how they were mislead in the hope of 'change'.'

That is just the Establishment's media, having lost control of the people, trying to force them back into line. More spin, more lies.

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WinchesterWoman · 20/10/2016 18:34

Then you know that you are defining reputable as 'believes in man made climate xhange' so the argument is stripped of validity

Kaija · 20/10/2016 18:29

WW, I know what a circular argument is, and I understand why you are calling it that. I'm just saying you're wrong. However, let's see what your scientists have to say.

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claig · 20/10/2016 18:28

James O'Keefe of Project Veritas Action says "the media is losing control of the people". They were forced to mention it last night on Fox and elsewhere. All the big names had to talk about O'Keefe's "vote rigging" videos, Bob Woodward talked about it. Then they all move on to the usual spiel.

You should have seen Fox mocking Trump's Facebook Live event last night before the debate. The smug, arrogant, phoney conservative Bill O'Reilly mocking it. Megyn Kelly looking embarrassed over it. All the mainstream media are being bypassed by citizen journalism. Trump is bypassing the mainstream media and showing the public that they are all in the tank for the Establishment, the system and Hillary.

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ZuleikaDobson · 20/10/2016 18:27

Why on earth should we care that Martin Luther King's niece endorses Trump? She's not Luther King, and surely no-one suggests that he would agree with his niece? She used to go round saying he was a Republican even whilst he was publicly campaigning against Goldwater, after all. If, say, Winston Churchill's niece popped up saying we should all vote for the EDL because she says so and she's related to Churchill, she'd be laughed to scorn. (No aspersions on Churchill's niece, by the way, I don't even know if he has or had one).

WinchesterWoman · 20/10/2016 18:25

I'll explain the circular argument thing tonight. Dw it will all become clear.

Want2bSupermum · 20/10/2016 18:24

This is an article summing up the issues with the clinton foundation.

This gives a bit more insight into the difference between the two charities. With assets of $600k the Trump foundation is going to be run on a shoestring budget so that operating costs don't eat up the money they have to spend on charitable endeavors.

Also, buying two pictures of himself, and Tim Tebow's helmet doesn't concern me at all. I have audited many charities that buy things like that to auction off. The fact he last made a contribution in 2008 doesn't bother me either because they don't say what the contribution was. Based on their operating budget of $600k I would expect he made a one off donation of $50-75m.

If HC had a leg to stand on she would have answered the question last night. Instead she skirted around the issue and let the questions move on. She ought to be ashamed of herself considering her stance on women's rights.

Kaija · 20/10/2016 18:24

You're killing me, WW Grin.

I understand that if they ceased to be taken seriously by the rest of the scientific community there is a good chance that it was because they stopped making sense at that point.

But show us the names and we can make a judgment on it.

Draylon · 20/10/2016 18:22

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WinchesterWoman · 20/10/2016 18:21

Even Clinton supporters like him for the entertainment value. Some anyway. Unless they're just saying that in the temporary flow of complacency.

WinchesterWoman · 20/10/2016 18:20

We live in crazy times. Live.

WinchesterWoman · 20/10/2016 18:19

I don't know four. We love in crazy times.

WinchesterWoman · 20/10/2016 18:19

Okimamma are you being racist? That post was very odd. Reassure me - something rings very wrong about that. It's like a Jim Davidson joke.

fourmummy · 20/10/2016 18:18

Lweji - just keep reading it back Wink

WW - All good here. Just about to check out Trump's speech. I notice the polls are up? Is he experiencing a post-debate bounce??

WinchesterWoman · 20/10/2016 18:13

I'm worried you don't understand that. I can explain if you like when I get home and am not all thumbs.

ZuleikaDobson · 20/10/2016 18:12

IceBeing, Hillary Clinton has not laughed at a rape victim.

WinchesterWoman · 20/10/2016 18:12

Oh no they're reputable. You'd have to find something disreputable about them that isn't to do with climate change. Otherwise your case is entirely circular. You understand that don't you?

Draylon · 20/10/2016 18:10

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Kaija · 20/10/2016 18:10

However, I would like to read up on them even if they have lost their reputations, so yes please do post some names.

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claig · 20/10/2016 18:09

Trump doing a stunning speech in Delaware, Ohio right now. He is incredible, they have never come across anyone like him.

pastelmacaroons, here is Matyin Luther King's niece, Dr Alveda King, endorsing Trump

If you want to get a real understanding of why Trump is so popular and is still likely to win despite the mainstream media, check out his rally in Delaware, Ohio today on youtube. Amazing stuff.

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Kaija · 20/10/2016 18:08

I see. So no reputable scientists then.

WinchesterWoman · 20/10/2016 18:07

How you doing four