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Trump vs Clinton Round 3. Probably the biggest debate ever.

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claig · 16/10/2016 13:57

Oct 20th 2 am UK time.

Last chance for the Establishment to stop the Trump surge in the polls.
World leaders will be watching, Establishments will be tuning in on the edge of their seats in trepidation.

People will be laughing, diving into the popcorn and knocking back the alcohol.

Round 3. Rock'n'roll.

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LornaUK · 25/10/2016 09:43

Doesn't the term "political theater" seem relevant in this debacle?

Lweji · 24/10/2016 10:03

It has been very hard to discuss policies when Trump is involved and made a key of his campaign to insult and accuse his opponents of everything and anything he can think of (largely untrue).
And when his policies are incredibly vague.
Even Obama would have found it difficult to campaign on policy with him.

Wdigin2this · 24/10/2016 09:22

I just wish that they'd all stop behaving like 5 year olds in a the playground! This is not a game of oneupmanship....it's about the serious matter of governing the most powerful nation in our world. They need to tell, everyone exactly how they're going to achieve the targets of prosperity, and more importantly peace!
And before any US citizen says, 'you're a Brit, keep your opinions to yourselves!' I am a world citizen, and as such, have a vested interest in how America votes!

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/10/2016 16:52

This thread is nearly full, so I've started a shiny new one for when we are ready :)
shiny new thread

Roussette · 23/10/2016 15:40

Yes but DT wouldn't see the irony in that. He is a sore loser and vindictive.

Lweji · 23/10/2016 15:27

The stories go back at least from May. Much earlier than his tape.

Anyway, isn't Hillary accused of going after the women go accused Bill?

Oh, the irony.

Roussette · 23/10/2016 15:02

Just because we are saying how crap we think Trump is, that doesn't make us all into Hillary supporters. What we are saying is that Trump is crappier

This with knobs on.

I've been away but did watch the whole third debate next morning. DT really didn't equip himself well.

He's vowed to go after all the women who have come forward to back up his lewd comments. Very presidential.

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/10/2016 13:52

Grin Lweji

OhYouBadBadKitten · 23/10/2016 13:38

there are posters on this thread who think in very black and white terms.

Just because we are saying how crap we think Trump is, that doesn't make us all into Hillary supporters. What we are saying is that Trump is crappier.

Lweji · 23/10/2016 13:37

I know she embellished the story. That was not the point...

Anyway, for a much better debate than the original:

"the best Baldwin brother" Grin
And lovely Tom.

Southallgirl · 23/10/2016 13:13

Lweji - She herself embellished the story. I remember some years later watching a split screen - the actual footage of the airbase showing her disembarking and then speaking with military, and her excited account after that visit of flying bullets, running for cover. I wondered at the time how she thought she would get away with such a porkie.

Lweji · 23/10/2016 00:43

That comment about Hillary's story about the airbase is interesting. That was a story that was embellished. Probably for effect.

But you have another candidate who says he never said or did things that are on video and on written media. Many things. Almost for every subject.
He keeps spinning those lies and insist on them with no hesitation or qualms. He screams his lies from rooftops.
How do you interpret that behaviour? How do you view that candidate?

A candidate that on fact checks was the least truthful of any primary candidate, from either party?

LadyConstanceDeCoverlet · 22/10/2016 22:50

I believe Trump has enough commonsense not to try to overturn abortion rights. It would be his undoing, and anyway Senate will not allow it.

He doesn't have to do it through the Senate. He will achieve it by appointing right wing judges.

lljkk · 22/10/2016 21:39

By definition, populism = fighting against the establishment conspiracy. So when the populists don't win, that proves that the conspiracy exists. Populists win no matter what.

claig · 22/10/2016 19:38

‘Brexit times five’: could Trump really win despite polls favoring Clinton?

The Republican is using Britain’s shock exit from Europe as his mantra. Are his Democratic opponent’s numbers good enough to ward off another surprise?
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Those Republicans still loyal to Trump cling to the hope that all the polls are wrong – that in barely two weeks’ time, angry voters will again stun the world. Over and over, Donald Trump is saying one word: Brexit.

“We will win,” he told a rally in Pennsylvania on Friday. “We will shock the world. This is going to be Brexit-plus.”

Earlier, in North Carolina, he promised to go “beyond Brexit”. By evening, “Brexit times five” was coming.

On one level, the pep talk is not as crazy as it sounds. Not only has Trump confounded expectations all year, but like those campaigning for Britain to leave the European Union, he has closed within touching distance of his opponent several times already."

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/22/trump-clinton-polls-brexit

They'll try tricks, they'll try lies, they'll try everything they have got. Go Trumpster! Brexit times ten!

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claig · 22/10/2016 19:06

Pat Buchanan, former Republican Presidential runner for nominee "the establishment is in a full-blown panic over Trump"

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claig · 22/10/2016 18:46

'Apparently the USA polls are far more accurate than UK's, better predictors.'

Very few. As Trump said today, the corrupt media is not mentioning that poll, which was the most accurate poll over the past two election cycles. The media use the same tricks as were used in Brexit.

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Southallgirl · 22/10/2016 18:41

Most of the UKIP politicians are for Hillary

If that is so, then they have no business being in UKIP.

She has 30 yrs of political experience on Trump and that is what is swaying some people. She has a great public persona imo; speaks well, knows which facial expression does not go down well on close-up, is always aware of where the camera is and knows how to control those 'tells'.

But I always remember her speaking about her experience 20 yrs ago on landing in Bosnia somewhere, and she and her daughter having to run for cover and dodging flying bullets. She told that story so well and believably, but it turned out to be a load of codswallop.

If you look at how she tells that story, I cannot see any tell-tale anxiety or hiccups in her voice when she is spinning us a lie. What do all those people who were with her on that airbase and who later heard her embellishing think of her?

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-544633/Clinton-Video-contradicts-Hillarys-claim-ran-sniper-shots-Bosnia.html

Southallgirl · 22/10/2016 18:24

Apparently the USA polls are far more accurate than UK's, better predictors.

claig · 22/10/2016 18:24

Most of the UKIP politicians are for Hillary. Farage is about the only one that is for Trump.

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claig · 22/10/2016 18:23

' even the so-called right wingers such as Ferrari. Apparently all presenters are for her except one! Wonder what happened there .......'

I am not surprised, same as our so-called conservatve politicians, most of them are for Hillary. It is the Establishment versus the people. Only Katie Hopkins has the courage to side with the people.

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Southallgirl · 22/10/2016 18:20

I'm VERY surprised that LBC radio is pro-Hilllllary, even the so-called right wingers such as Ferrari. Apparently all presenters are for her except one! Wonder what happened there .......

claig · 22/10/2016 18:16

"Most Accurate Poll in 2012 Shows Trump In the Lead
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According to FiveThirtyEight, the Investor’s Business Daily/TechnoMetrica Market Intelligence poll predicted the correct outcome of that election, exposing Obama's dramatically underestimated performance and the falsehood of Romney's clear victory.

In the new poll released on Wednesday, Donald Trump is leading Hillary Clinton nationally, taking 41 to 40 percent lead."

townhall.com/tipsheet/justinholcomb/2016/10/19/most-accurate-poll-in-2012-shows-trump-in-the-lead-n2234733

Sheer panic among the elite class and the servants of global governance around the globe.

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claig · 22/10/2016 18:12

Yes and the UN and the Climate Fund is all part of global governance and all of that will come to an end if Trump beats them on Nov 8.

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Southallgirl · 22/10/2016 18:09

cut the billions that the US contributes to the UN Climate Fund and America will clean up its own environment with that money

Yes, because contributing a country's money to a fund dedicated to something is never effective. If you want something doing, do it yourself.

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