Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

'UKIP had more in common with the Tories than current labour policy'

No. UKIP are a common sense party, so there is no politically correct left wing dogma or no excessive capitalist free market dogma. UKIP are for the common people with local democracy and referenda and PR voting to empower ordinary people against the metropolitan elite and all their mates.

So UKIP are against TTIP, which the Tories and the 172 are mostly for. UKIP were against the attack on Libya and the bombing of Syria, which the 172 and the Tories, both led by the Establishment, were for. UKIP were for scrapping the bedroom tax, which the 172 and the Tories and the Establishment were against. UKIP were for taking minimum pay workers out of taxation totally and increasing the tax threshold which the 172 and Gordon Brown and that lot were not for during their 13 years, and which many Tories would never have considered had it not been for the LibDems and the pressure from populist UKIP.

UKIP will now appeal to the working class in the North and will still try to take the common sense conservative vote in the South, but the problem they have is that in our First Past the Post system, the metropolitan elite will nearly always be able to beat them.

People only support the voting system that is likely to get them elected. We did have a referendum where PR in the form of the alternative vote system was rejected. If there is to be referendum then we need to offer a different type of PR.

People like having their own MP who potters about the town and is approachable. I think that we need a system that keeps the good parts of first past the post, but addresses that fact that the views of 4 million voters is represented by one MP.

the people if you are white Christian americans

the people being not white Christian's Trump is certainly not the best hope

UKIP are done now unless Farage returns which of course wouldn't be a surprise I doubt many will return to Labour under Corbyn

Even though McDonnell does look and sound like a nasty piece of work, I might even vte for him because he has said that he wants to bring in PR voting, but unfortunately, as usual, Corby is too timid and weak to back that yet, but maybe Momentum can force Corbyn to change, if they support PR, which I am not sure they do.

UKIP had more in common with the Tories than current labour policy. Other than the desire to kick out immigrants, what does UKIP offer the traditional labour voter? I don't want my country run by people to the right of Attila the Hun.

I wish that the lib dems could have a charismatic leader. We need a centre ground where there is a balance between compassion and encouraging hard work. I voted Tory last time and the present govement is doing lots of policies that I never voted for.

But I agree with you, IceBeing, that the number one priority that we need as a country is proportional representation so that the people can end this rigged Establishment system where most people's real voting preferences don't count.

Even though I am no fan of the 172 and all their political correctness and spin and Estabblishment kowtowing, I would even vote for Chuka Umunna, simply because he wants to get rid of first past the post and give us all PR voting, if that stood a chance of happening.

Of course, Trump will beat the metropolitan elite and all their mates, which is why the people's best hope is Trump.

'Claig, are you continuing to support UKIP?'

Not sure at the moment. Everything is up in the air. Evaluating all possibilities. Anybody who can defeat the metropolitan elite and all their mates gets my vote.

Diane James, leader of UKIP, is brilliant, you have never seen courage like that in one of the Oxbridge clone politicians that the Establishment wheels out, but UKIP don't really stand a chance of gaining power, so I will have to decide which party stands the best chance of defeating the metropolitan elite and all their mates. Not sure yet. Listening to all options.

Claig, are you continuing to support UKIP?

Can no longer vote Labour.

Janan Ganesh's FT article on the end of the Balls Generation, the end of the Oxbridge golden generation of SPADs and all the rest of the professional spinners, the highlighting of their complete unworldly naivety when faced with the real world which is now returning as spin is laughed at by the people and as Trump is next to rock the world, signals the huge changes of which the Corbynistas are just one part. May is also a part of it, but who eventually wins is the one who can ride the tiger and understand and repect the people.

'There are plenty of Conservative voters who perceive the growing gap between rich and poor with distaste'

I agree, you are right and Theresa May is one of those conservatives. It is the media who paints the conservatives into a corner and pretends they are all ogres. May has set the emphasis on helping ordinary people gain a leg up and a fair chance and the opportunity to have real social mobility based on a real meritocracy which puts them on a equal footing to the Etonians who have money.

May appears to have been disliked by some of the Etonians who used to run us and May is now setijng the record straight and changing the emphasis of policy to help ordinary people and the squeezed middle. That way she will regain the lost Tory voters who had enough of Cameroonianism. May has the potential to be the second champion that the middle class has ever had after Thatcher. If May plays it right and also learns from the Corbyn revolution and respects the Corbynistas (unlike Hillary Benn and the champagne socialists) then she will be difficult to defeat.

Claig, you're making the classic mistake of confusing 'Conservative' for 'Capitalist'. There are plenty of Conservative voters who perceive the growing gap between rich and poor with distaste. Being a Conservative does not require one to be a fundamentalist free market capitalist - that is simply the ideology for a portion of those at the right of the party. An equal or greater number are far more moderate in their opinions.

Claig, you're making the classic mistake of confusing 'Conservative' for 'Capitalist'. There are plenty of Conservative voters who perceive the growing gap between rich and poor with distaste. Being a Conservative does not require one to be a fundamentalist free market capitalist - that is simply the ideology for a portion of those at the right of the party. An equal or greater number are far more moderate in their opinions.

Dennis Skinner

Dennis Skinner seems to disagree. He says Labour has "the biggest army".

But it won't be easy. It depends on what happens to the People's Army that shook the world.

She is hardly moving into left wing politics she is moving to the centre

And will no doubt win against Corbyn with a huge majority

"Why not call ‘Left-wing’ Theresa May’s bluff?

If the new Prime Minister wants to move Left, why not hold her to it?
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May has chosen to run as a Tory reformer, stealing Leftish clothes to denounce inequality and the boss class.

Chris Dillow puts it well:

“She complained that many people in politics don’t appreciate ‘how hard life is for the working class’; of workers being ‘exploited by unscrupulous bosses’; of ‘irresponsible behaviour in big business’ and of an ‘irrational, unhealthy and growing gap’ between workers’ and bosses’ pay.

She went onto demand a ‘proper industrial strategy’ to raise productivity – one that might block hostile takeovers; of the need to ‘give people more control of their lives’; of the need for workers on company boards; a ‘crack down on individual and corporate tax avoidance and evasion’; and restraints upon CEO pay.”

leftfootforward.org/2016/07/why-not-call-left-wing-theresa-mays-bluff/

May hasn't put a foot wrong yet.

'it's more anti globalisation rather than the whole world shifting left'

Yes anti-globalisation is the main thing. But Labour has swung left and left Blair and Progress stranded. Owen Smith even claimed that he agreed with most of Jeremy's policies, so anti-austerity is now the default position of Labour and that is a huge change that Corbyn was responsible for.

'An alternative political view point is that she is moving further to the middle because Corbyn is vacating this space'

Yes, that is a good point. That may be what is in fact happening.

I agree May is after the middle voters that won't vote for Labour under Corbyn

Then there are the labour voters that won't vote for Corbyn but might for LibDems

One Tory MP

Conservatives are in their second term (ok one was meant to be a coalition) politics nearly always moves away from the ruling party as no government can get things right all the time and people become disappointed that's why opposition parties do so well in local elections, well apart from labour under Corbyn

It's me and other labour voters and party members who do not support Corbyn that fear what he is doing and that is destroying the party

That is why May wil have to move left too and concentrate on the squeezed middle and ordinary people and social mobility etc

An alternative political view point is that she is moving further to the middle because Corbyn is vacating this space, the Overton window will not be shifted without a backlash from the right, and at the minute it's the 'anti-establishment' right that's growing just as fast as the extreme left, horseshoe theory dictates there is not much difference between the 2, and it's more anti globalisation rather than the whole world shifting left, IMO

'Have hou heard any Tory supporters or MP's concerned about Corbyn leading the Labour Party because I haven't '

Yes, right at the beginning of Corbyn's reign over a year ago. I can't remember which Tory it was on Sky News, but he said that the Tories are not complacent because they understand that the shift to the left will have implications for them. That is why May wil have to move left too and concentrate on the squeezed middle and ordinary people and social mobility etc. The Corbynistas have shifted all of our politics to the left, just as Bernie Sanders forced Clinton to the left and forced her to say that she is now against TTP. The whole world has swung left and Janan Ganesh's Financial Times article explains how all of the Ed Balls generation are uesterday's people now. The change that has happened is enormous.

Not many people do but Ken Loach does