Excited about the Labour leadership announcement

'But with his pro immigration - almost open border stance, he isn't in tune with the core demographic of the labour voter, so....'

I agree. That is one of his crazy politically correct left wing dogma positions. It is not popular, but I think that the public will even ignore that if Corbyn offers them enough of what they want. "You can't always get what you want" and the public is prepared to compromise and ignre political correctness if it feels the tradeoff is worth it. Don't forget that the public won't believe a word that Chuka Umunna or Yvette Cooper etc might say on immigration anyway, if they claim to be tough on it, so for the public Corbyn is no worse than the rest of the 172 on that issue.

but at the end of teh day, the number one thing most people care about is living standards, health, education, jobs and quality of life and they will think thatthe Establishment is trying to do Corbyn down.

But with his pro immigration - almost open border stance, he isn't in tune with the core demographic of the labour voter, so....

'do you really think a man with his connections and stance would ever be voted as PM'

Yes. It won't be easy because the Tories will hit him hard, but at the end of teh day, the number one thing most people care about is living standards, health, education, jobs and quality of life and they will think thatthe Establishment is trying to do Corbyn down.

Don't forget that the 172 and the Blairites and the Establishment were desperate to stop Corbyn this time and they could have used all those arguments against Corbyn if they had wanted to. The reason they didn't use them is probably because they thought they would backfire on them and that they wouldn't work.

They threw the kitchen sink at Corbyn and the BBC helped them, but they still failed. Now we will see if they are just like George H W Bush and the Republican elite in the United States who prefer Clinton to Trump. The centre sticks together to save itself. Let's see if they abandon Labour and prefer the Tories in order to stop Corbyn and the thousands of Labour members.

do you really think a man with his connections and stance would ever be voted as PM

he will be destroyed by the most of the media they will show he isn't such a principled man and running up to a general election they will remind voters day after day why he should never be PM at the moment they have mocked him little else as he isn't a threat

he will not be able to run away from these facts, he can ignore them but he wont be able to run away from them

even if I supported him I am not foolish enough to believe this can and should be overlooked

Sadly the world doesn't stop while a political party leader tries to get himself up to speed.

Corbyn has already shown who he is and the view of him is already set. Most clearly shown by the fact that 'don't know' is polling higher than him when voters are asked who would be the best PM.

But hey that's just the biased MSM and all opinion polls are rigged don't you know.

Sad day for the country.

I believe that's down to the infighting making the party unelectable.
Corbyn hasn't had a chance to influence voters without backbiting and mainstream media bias.

Bishop no labour supporters are denying that we need change

just many know that Corbyn is unelectable as a PM and is losing voters support and he isn't unable to lead an opposition

I agree so much I said it twice...

Sorry Kajia I missed your post upthread. I agree agree, it's worrying.

I'm not sure about whether I want to keep my membership. I'm feeling I should stay because ultimately I want the party to succeed but I'm so worried about the direction of the party now.

I don't consider the volume of food bank use in this country and the disaster that is our NHS and education system to be 'a few tweaks'.

One party politics? All we've had since 2010 is a choice between varying shades of blue.

We need change.

Where are the excited Corbyn supporters of the first few a pages? Please come and tell me why I should vote Labour next time round.

That's made sure Labour don't get elected at the next general election then. My FIL a long time member and supporter of labour has just declared he's cancelling his subscription, he's shocked at the result.

'Re: Tory-lite, this country looks to me like only a few tweaks are needed to make it better, so I don't know what is essentially v wrong with Blair's New Labour?'

You have increased debt, house prices out of the range of millions, zero-hours contracts, job insecurity, low-wage economy, drop in social mobility, squeezed middle, huge tuition fees, poor care for the elderly, cuts to disability benefits, lack of public investment, people at the mercy of the markets, loss of workers rights', junior doctors striking for the first time ever, welfare system under threat, Manchester threatening to sack all its firefighters unless they accept new contracts, a lack of hope and social mobility for millions, Etonians lecturing the public, bailouts for bankers etc etc

It will take a lot more than Tory-lite and a few tweaks and some "two kitchen" Oxbridge politicians to sort out a better future for the people of the country.

don't cancel

I want to but he hasn't won with the huge majority that I really thought he would if you leave you wont be able to vote for a leader that will stand a good chance against him we all knew Owen didn't stand a chance no one would right now but the cracks are showing. It wont be in the next year but maybe in 2018 and then Labour could still stand a chance of winning an election (slim I know) in 2020 or at least provide a good strong opposition

I was really worried it was going to be around 75%

*Jeremy Corbyn has won the Labour leadership contest with 313,309 votes. Challenger Owen Smith got 193,229.

A total of 506,438 cast their votes*

Same as Kaija, cancelled membership already. Some might say I'm not v patient but I don't understand why so few politicians look like they will consider switching party?
Re: Tory-lite, this country looks to me like only a few tweaks are needed to make it better, so I don't know what is essentially v wrong with Blair's New Labour?

RIP opposition party. A sad day for politics.

Utterly unsurprising result.

corbyn won 61.8% of the votes

not as high as I feared

Corbyn increased his lead 61.8%, Owen Smith 38.2%

Fantastic news for the entire country. The centre as been defeated. The BBC and all the rest could not stop Labour members. Now Corbyn has to rise to the challenge and offer the entire country what it is really crying out for.

'Yes, Michael Foot was rejected by the electorate despite his popularity with the Labour Left.'

Yes because the Labour left are not the majority and they aren't now either because they are politically correct and the majority isn't. But that may not matter if Corbyn is able to articulate a vision that offers the majority enough of what they really want, enough change.

As the Rolling Stones song played at all Trump rallies says "you can't always get what you want", but if you get enough then you will ignore the politically correct craziness and that is the challenge of the Left. Can they offer the people enough of what they want so that they ignore the politically correct nonsense?

I agree with your assessment Enthusiasm. I also think both are far more concerned with their own personal agenda than 'the greater good'. Much like confidence tricksters or con artists.

Yes, Michael Foot was rejected by the electorate despite his popularity with the Labour Left.

'what radical change does Corbyn offer that can actually work

those economists that originally supported him and tried to work with him found out and concluded he has no understanding of economics and all and shows no interest'

That is a good point. Corbyn has been far too weak, far too timid, he hasn't even been able to defeat the 172. It is not certain that Corbyn is up to the task.