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Media coverage deliberately biased against Corbyn, British public believes

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claig · 04/09/2016 19:39

The public understand the media's game.

There is no fooling the public or the Corbynistas. The usual tactics of the metropolitan elite have failed.

"Perception of unfairness extends beyond supporters of Labour leader"
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A majority of the British public believe the media is deliberately biased against Jeremy Corbyn and seeking to portray him in a negative light.
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Women in the Labour selectorate were more likely to believe the coverage was biased than men and older people in the group were also more likely to believe it had been deliberately biased "

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-poll-labour-leadership-media-bias-believe-against-him-supporters-mi5-portland-a7225031.html

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claig · 10/09/2016 07:42

I am not sure anything will come of UKIP. The Oxbridge teams will probably destroy it with inside fighting as they are trying to do to Labour.

Diane James is excellent, but my guess is that the Oxbridge teams wil sow division within UKIP and bring it to an end.

Labour is far stronger than UKIP. UKI was a protest against te metropolitan elite, but Labour is the only vehicle with enough popular support and strength to really win.

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Kaija · 10/09/2016 07:36

The 172 want him out because he is destroying the Labour Party, which is of course very good news for UKIP and/or whatever horror rises from UKIP 's ashes.

Wouldn't you agree, Claig, given that you are undoubtedly Mumsnet's most tireless and vocal UKIP supporter?

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claig · 10/09/2016 07:36

NNChangeAgain, I agree with you 100%

Corbyn is weak and "too nice". If Bob Crow was Labour leader, it would all have been over by now, he would have thrashed the Oxbridge teams and Labour would have been transformed already. But Corbyn is how he is, he has negatives and positives, he is like a tortoise rather than a hare, but he will get there and defeat the Oxbridge teams in the end.

' it's going to be tortuous and slow'

Yes. It will be slow but in the end it will succeed. Smith and the 172 will be beaten, but they will be back, but in the long run, they will lose and Corbyn and the people will win.

You can't have everything. The fact that Corbyn has got so far and taken on the Oxbridge teams is a miracle, the fact that the people beat the Establishment over Brexit is a miracle, and it's not over yet.

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NNChangeAgain · 10/09/2016 07:17

Corbyn intends to democratize the Labour Party, to let members decide and that is why the Establishment and the 172 want him out. Corbyn is a Labour leader like no other has ever been.

I can believe that. He's not very good articulating it, and certainly isn't a strong enough leader to take everyone with him.

Effectively led, it could happen quickly and relatively painlessly. As it stands, with JC at the helm, it's going to be tortuous and slow. And in the mean time, there is little effective opposition nationally, and the in-fighting within the party becomes an expensive distraction to everyday business (Islington springs to mind).

Are the no charismatic and strong characters who will stand alongside JC and lead ? I'm not sure JC has the stamina to see this through at its current pace.

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claig · 10/09/2016 07:01

Excellent article in the Canary by Steve Topple. Well worth reading, as is the Canary in general which is much better than the New Statesman and all the Establishment organs. The Canary is real left wing, authentic and grassroots with no Establishment control.

The article discusses the history of the Labour Party and the elitism within it. It discusses why Corbyn is a completely different leader to all of its previous leaders because he really is anti-elitist and for the people and can't be controlled by the Establishment. It discusses how the members have changed and how with Brexit, not just Labour members, but voters in the whole country have changed. Corbyn intends to democratize the Labour Party, to let members decide and that is why the Establishment and the 172 want him out. Corbyn is a Labour leader like no other has ever been.

There is a new populist politics on the horizon with a democratic populace that can't be spun and controlled by an elite, the BBC and the Oxbridge teams, and that is why they want to stop Corbyn bringing about popular change. Control is slipping out of their hands and returning to the people. The 172's challenge against Corbyn is the last gasp of the ancien regime.

"The fight is on for the soul of the Labour Party, and it’s about much more than Jeremy Corbyn"

www.thecanary.co/2016/09/08/fight-soul-labour-party-much-jeremy-corbyn-opinion/

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Dozer · 09/09/2016 13:06

Grin "he possibly busy at a rally addressing thousands"

Of left wingers, whose votes are in the back. How does he appeal to other people?

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 09/09/2016 13:03

Momentum were out in force trying to get support it didn't work

Labour support down by 9% Tory 7% UKIP 10% (or nearly) and LD up by 31%

So what has happened to this huge increase of support for Labour or is it as many agree an increase in party membership from the far left not to the wider electorate

I can see high return to parliament for the LD they will be taking UKIP voters and Labour voters that will not for while Corbyn is Leader

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claig · 09/09/2016 12:45

'Those rally's are where the Corbyn supporting council election candidates should be coming from.'

I agree

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NNChangeAgain · 09/09/2016 12:14

The 172 are irrelevant to a Council election.

This is a failure of 'the party'. Those rally's are where the Corbyn supporting council election candidates should be coming from.

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claig · 09/09/2016 12:03

'Why was a candidate who doesn't support him still on the list and allowed to stand?'

Yes, this is the problem with Corbyn as far as I can understand it. He seems too weak to determine a direction and make sure that people who believe in it are working with him to get it done. The 172 are against him and Owen "I blame Jeremy" Smith doesn't seem to want to work with Corbyn and unless Corbyn starts growing a backbone, the 172 are going to defy him at every turn.

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NNChangeAgain · 09/09/2016 11:49

Apparently it's all because the labour candidate wasn't left enough and wasn't a supporter of Jeremy

JC has had over a year as leader to sort out the branches and their approved candidate lists.
Why was a candidate who doesn't support him still on the list and allowed to stand?
Surely there must have been a Corbynite willing to do the job?
The nominations closed after the leadership contest started, so there's been plenty of time Hmm

EnthusiasmDisturbed · 09/09/2016 10:35

And back to Labour losing a safe seat

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claig · 09/09/2016 10:17

"I am not a Tory" Owen will try to convince people, as his statement is greeted with reflective silence as Labour supporters silently reflect on whether this statement holds up.

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claig · 09/09/2016 10:14

I expect Owen Smith will pounce on this news like a cat on a saucer of milk. "I blame Jeremy, he didn't even want a meeting with me" will probably be his line, followed by some offensive, egregious statement that will later be dismissed as "just banter" as his spokespeople try to salvage what they can of his campaign.

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EnthusiasmDisturbed · 09/09/2016 09:59
Grin

Forgot attending a rally with adoring followers who hang on your every word is more important than doing your job

How long does it to type a tweet ffs Hmm

Apparently it's all because the labour candidate wasn't left enough and wasn't a supporter of Jeremy

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claig · 09/09/2016 09:51

'Has Corbyn responded to this yet ?'

I think he is possibly busy at a rally addressing thousands. I don't think he has had time yet.

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EnthusiasmDisturbed · 09/09/2016 09:40

Has Corbyn responded to this yet ?

NNChangeAgain · 09/09/2016 07:01

That is interesting kaija

Kaija · 08/09/2016 23:53

Rallies vs reality

Media coverage deliberately biased against Corbyn, British public believes
Media coverage deliberately biased against Corbyn, British public believes
EnthusiasmDisturbed · 07/09/2016 21:08

Thatcher was extreme. Never has a PM been loved or loathed more or divided the nation as much. Not all Tories loved her and many labour voters became Thatcherites

I don't think we shall see such a leader again she divided the nation and changed it forever

freetrampolineforall · 07/09/2016 18:56

Amen, Orson.

OrsonWellsHat · 07/09/2016 15:47

I hated Thatcher, my life was shit when she was in power. Just had to get that one in, as you were.

NNChangeAgain · 07/09/2016 15:46

Have they all got one

The joys of democracy, eh? Free will to vote as they wish without fear of reprisals.

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claig · 07/09/2016 15:42

'After all, he voted with his conscience for years - why can't they?'

Have they all got one? Did they abstain from the Welfare Bill while Corbyn refused to join them?

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NNChangeAgain · 07/09/2016 15:39

Most of these MPs vote the way the whips tell them (apart from Corbyn of course), so they accept the Labour Party position rather than their own opinion in most cases

And what the 172 will have to do is decide whether to comply with the party whip, or rebel as JC did.

How will the Corbynistas feel if JC faces regular rebellion in the HoC? After all, he voted with his conscience for years - why can't they?

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