Media coverage deliberately biased against Corbyn, British public believes

'If the populous didn't understand what they were actually voting for in the Referendum'

They did understand, no one believed the £350 million apart from the "magic circle". This is all spin by the Establishment's best and brightest, as well as Owen Smith, to try and get another Referendum.

The "magic circle" are furious with the 172 at the latest Owen Smith clanger. The "magic circle" apparently weren't sure about Owen Smith's ability to beat Corbyn, but the 172 apparently assured them that Owen Smith was the best they had got.

"Owen Smith accused of sexism after ‘pulling wife’ comments

In an interview with the Daily Mirror, where he talks about childhood in Barry, South Wales, he said his school had “1,200 boys, three girls and I pulled Liz. So I must have something going on. That must be leadership.”

SNP MSP Humza Yousaf commented on the interview saying: “If Owen Smith is the answer, what is the question?”

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/owen-smith-accused-sexism-pulling-wife-comments/

Reports are now emanating from circles close to the "magic circle" that they are prepared to throw the towel in and vote for Corbyn themselves. They have had enough of it. This has made the "magic circle" look like a laughing stock worldwide and according to reports "they can't take any more".

'So, just like BREXIT, a large minority will be disaffected. '

Yes but that is democracy, at least they would have had a say rather than no say, just like with the Referendum which had a very high turnout as did the Scottish Referendum which was even higher. Participative democracy enthuses the people which is why the "magic circle" are against it.

'And talking of money, all this consultation and voting would have to come out of Labour Party Funds'

Yes, but Labour would have a few million members and the party's income would be able to cover those costs.

'How long before membership starts to dwindle and the leadership is challenged ?'

Membership only dwindles when members feel they are not being listened to as in the Tory Party where many tore up their membership cards during Cameron's period and where there were reports of the "magic circle" memo apparently calling Tory party members "swivel-eyed" which is a bit like the pot calling the kettle black where the "magic circle" is concerned.

'How does it look like he may make it when Labour have done so poorly that is utter nonsense '

'His first priority is to win the Labour vote against the 172 and it looks like he may make it.'

I mean that he may make it and beat the 172, the BBC, the media and the "magic circle". That is round 1. After that he has to try and beat Theresa May, but that won't e easy because she is coming up with a lot of common sense, which is not Corbyn's strongest point.

'If Corbyn opens up policy making to the members, then the Oxbridge teams are finished.'

This would really be revolutionary, if he does it. Instead of ordinary people just voting for policies decided by the Oxbridge teams at a general election, they could actually determine those policies. How good is that? Labour would probably get millions and millions of members if they did that. A chance for ordinary people to have their say. Brilliant. Members in other parties would be jealous and it might have to spread. Real democracy, the end of the stitchups and the Oxbridge teams.

'He doesn't have influence over the majority of his party though does he'

No, unfortunately, he doesn't. We will have to see if he beats them and makes it or if the Establishment finish him off and end what he calls a "social movement".

'He can promise what he likes but the public also want to know how he is going to put those proposals into action this is where he fails'

I agree. The public, and me too, are getting sick of his weakness and McDonnell's, and they want to see some actin and for him to get a grip and beat the 172. I am not sure he has it in him, he is a not a Trump, and if he can't do it, then the Oxbridge spinners will take control again.

'And voting isn't going his way no one can claim it is'

His first priority is to win the Labour vote against the 172 and it looks like he may make it. The public vote and a general election is probably still some time off.

But without Corbyn's principled position on these issues, the Tory-liters would probably have put up no opposition. Corbyn's stance has an affect even on the Lords.

'but we are not a left voting country '

There is no never in politics. We beat the Establishment over Brexit despite the tricks of their best and brightest and their international mates who told us it would be "the end of Western Civilization". The people are singing "Ain't No Stopping Us Now. We're on the Move".

We have to wait and see what Corbyn comes up with. Cheaper housing, better education, better healthcare, better treatement for the elderly, support for nationalized industries, better workers' rights, more secure employment and an end to zero hours contracts ad the casualisation of labour, no more wars over oil and for the bankers etc are what nearly everybody in teh country wants apart from the "magic circle". All the "magic circle" have got to counter it is the 172 and cries that "you can't afford it", but if Corbyn explains how he will tax the "magic circle" to pay for it, then he could be onto a winner.

What Corbyn has achieved is to make politics real and relevant again which is why hundreds of thousands have joined the Labour Party in the hope that they will be listened to and that they can play a part in creating change. If Corbyn opens up policy making to the members, then the Oxbridge teams are finished.

The BBC are desperate. Everytime they put a Blairite spinner on Newsnight, Momentum sign up another 10000 members. BBC honchos must be receiving daily bollockings from the "magic circle" to turn it around, but they are running out of ideas.

'He would have been made to explain himself and these conspiracies on national tv which would leave most watching think wtf is this man going on about and he wants to be PM'

Trump does it all the time and grows ever more popular as he does it, but Trump has extraordinary courage and we have seen that Corbyn does not have that quality, but he does have other qualities.

'Are you a member of the Labour Party ?'

No I am a member of no party at all and that is the way I like it. I am with Groucho Marx on that, I don't want to join any party that would have me as a member. I am a floating vter to the end and am not committed to any of the Oxbridge graduates and will only vote for the ones that display an ounce of common sense, which is why I am considering withholding my vote at the moment.

'what has Corbyn done ?'

He has put real left wing politics back on the agenda. He defeated the Tories over the Welfare Bill, forced a reversal over academies, supported strikers, supports the unions unapologetically, told the "magic circle" to get stuffed, enthused millions of young people and brought former Labour members back, said he woukld scrap tuition fees, implement free lifelong learning, support our steel industry, overturned Blairism and the entire Oxbridge consensus and did all of that while facing an Establishment coup of the 172. He has transformed British politics and given hope to millions of socialists and scared the living daylights out of Blair. And all that in just one year, what will he do over a decade? The Establishment and the "magic circle" don't want to wait to find out which is why the 172 have been given instructions to end the people's revolution and bring Corbyn down.

'Because members only make up a small number of voters and membership has been flooded by the far left'

But the 172 are an even smaller number of voters and they are out of touch with their members and many of the unions and even the country over Brexit and are it seems are only in touch with Blair, big moneyed donors and the "magic circle".

'And those that have have been members for years and did not and would not vote for Corbyn should they be ignored apparently so'

If they are outnumbered by members who think differently, then in a democracy, their views cannot override the majority, just as the 172 cannot override the members in a democracy that is not "one per cent" and North Korean in style.

'Let's just pretend that's true, claig. So why would a UKIP/hard right Tory waverer have such an interest in Corbyn?'

Because as I have explained in this thread and others, Corbyn is a brilliant thing for the people and the country because he has shaken up the entire system and liberated us all from Oxbridge groupthink Blairism Establishment stitchups and is threatening to break their "magic circle" and democratize the labour Party and let the members and the people decide policy. Even though I am against his politically correct claptrap, there is a chance that he may liberate politics and come up with stunning left wing policies that benefit the country and the people and then even I would vote for him, just like I voted for Blair in 1997 because I am not committed to any party which expels people for the thought crime of calling Blair a name or saying that the Greens done well, all I want is what is best for the people and the country and an ounce of common sense and ideally a few less of the Oxbridge "one per cent" messing everything up.

And even if Corbyn can't deliver that, then the fact that he has swung politics to the left is a good thing because the left has some commn sense ideas and the Oxbridge hoody huggers in the Tory Party will then have to move to the left and adopt the common sense left wing policies and that will be better for the people and the result will be that the people are winners and the Oxbridge hooody huggers are losers. What's not to like about that and Corbyn?

'You might want to have a look at your own posting history to remind yourself how you've spent the last two or three years.'

Yes becuse in 2014, I was part of the large number of Tory voters wh finally had enough of hoody hugging Cameron and decided to vote UKIP in the local elections which shook the entire system as UKIP got 29% in Essex and rocked the Tories. Since 2014, I have supported UKIP, but now with May, I may switch back to the Tories unless the hoody huggers from Oxbridge make a return.