Media coverage deliberately biased against Corbyn, British public believes

I don't think that that many people are angry. I think most people understand the Establishment and know what they are like and that they will try to delay it and fool the people and get another Referendum etc. Most people expect that of them. No one is angry about Owen Smith and his attempts to have another Referendum; they expect that of him and the 172.

Farage and some people are angry because they are worried that the Establishment wil trick the people and find a way to stay in. But I think they are wrong. There is no way out for the Establishment; Owen Smith can't save them, he is aa joke and we beat the Establishment fair and square and therefore the country is leaving the EU however long it takes.

'I'm talking about the people who are angry - who are saying that they feel betrayed because x,y or z hasn't happened and thats what they voted for.'

Yes, some people are angry. Farage is angry. But that is tough. It is up to the government to set the agenda and negotiate as it sees fit.

'but that doesn't explain why they are saying they voted for a particular thing that you say they 'knew' wasn't true.'

I voted to Leave but didn't believe that as Owen Smith constantly weakly suggests that that means I thought that there would be an extra £350 million per week going to the NHS. I voted to leave because I wanted to leave as did most people.

'What about people who have expressed that independently? On forums, chats, or down the pub?'

I think that most of them have been frightened by teh unnessarily gllomy prognostications of the "experts" on the BBC etc. Some people believe the BBC and the 172. If instead the Establishment and its mates had wanted to leave the EU, then my guess is that the BBC would have been reporting what great opportunities there now were etc after we left.

'People who haven't been asked by the media'

They have been influenced by media. That is how spin works, that is why the 172 employ spin doctors etc.

'Are they plants, put there by the magic circle to try and undermine the BREXIT vote?'

I don't think they are plants but I think they have been influenced by the reports that have been planted in the media to show the people the error of their ways in defying the Establishment and its mates.

'Maybe they've been threatened/blackmailed?'

No, I think that type of thing only happens to very important Establishment insiders.

I think everyone in the country knew that but I am countering the argument of Owen Smith and his 172 who tell us that the people were too stupid to understand what Owen Smith struggled to understand and I am saying that if that was the case why didn't Owen Smith explain it to them at the time, if he did indeed understand that the Leave side was not in power, which I am not sure he fully grasped going by some of what he comes out with at hustings etc and in "banter".

'Some were saying "Im scared I've made the wrong choice".'

Yes because that is all they have heard from the BBC and Establishment media so they worry they did the wrong thing, just the same way that the 172 are always on the BBC saying that Corbyn is useless and therefore many people think it must be true because they don't think that the 172 could lie or fiddle their expenses.

'Others were, and still are saying "I'm pissed off because x, y or z hasn't happened". '

Farage is pissed off that Article 50 hasn't been invoked, but that is tough. It is up to Theresa May to decide the timetable but I think that unlike Owen Smith and the 172, she will respect the will of the British people.

' A points based immigration system, for instance.'

But the Leave side were not the government, they could have promised free ice cream and it would have meant nothing and all of the Establishment experts working for Remain, and possibly even Owen Smith and some of the 172, knew that and could have explained it to those people who didn't understand.

'they would have either had to have been bribed to say something that they didn't actually believe, or they actually believe that is what they voted for.'

Some people feel bullied by Establishment experts with microphones and clipboards and they don't want to look stupid so they tell the experts what the experts were fishing for. I doubt most of them feel strongly that they got it wrong and if we were to ask them now, they would probably be fine with their vote. Also there are Remain voters having seen that the majority voted Leave who also wish they had voted Leave but the BBC won't be broadcasting what they think any time soon.

'Have you watched the news recently? All the anti-Polish shit'

I don't think it has anything to do with the 17.5 million people who voted for Brexit. There are yobs and racists and we have always had those, but you cant blame them on the British people's decision to vote to Leave the EU so as not to have their laws made in Brussels.

'if everyone knew, there'd be no one to find, would there ?'

Everyone knew but there are still a few people left in the country who believe Owen Smith, the 172 and Cameron and some of them have been frightened by BBC reports that they had made the wrong decision and that now there would be calamity. The "magic circle" milked this for all it was worse and the BBC went into overdrive to report on it, but everyone else has got on with business as usual (apart from the 172 of course, who never accept losing gracefully, just as they won't after Corbyn defeats them).

"Britain BOOMS after EU vote: Ignore the doom-mongers…it’s good news all round"

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/691589/Britain-BOOMS-EU-vote-economy-economic-news-Brexit

The 172, spin doctors, teenage whizzkids, the best and the brightest and Owen Smith probably all met to discuss how they could spin their way around this one. But no one is listening, everybody knows the game.

The only widespread public disorder was probably when the Bullingdon Club met up for one of their notorious "dos" and were told by a waiter that the British people had decided to vote to Leave the EU.

'So, you believe that everyone who voted in the referendum knew the limitations that their vote would have, understood that no matter what the result, the terms and details would be worked out by the Government in power, and that all the promises, commitments and theories presented by the official campaigns, and pressure groups, were nothing more than speculation?'

The Leave team was not in power or office, their promises were worthless and everybody knew that including the Establishment's Remain campaign. Everyody knew that Cameron, Chief Remainer, was the Prime Minister and only he and the "magic circle" could make any promises that might possibly be enacted.

The people didn't vote over empty promises made by a spinning political class and their mates, they voted to Leave the EU and then expected all the servants, the bigwigs, the "magic circle" and all the rest of them to enact the people's will without whining and trying to subvert it.

'And that anyone who has said since that they believed differently have somehow been coerced to say so by the Magic Circle?'

The Magic Circle's media have been instructed to run around and find anyone who has been conned by the dire warnings of the losing political class and says Cameron was right, I regret voting Leave and to put them on the news to show the people the folly of their decision in not listening to Cameron and his mates.

'Does the risk of widespread public disorder as a by product of participatory politics bother you? '

There will never be widespread public disorder, this is Britain, we are one of the most tolerant, sensible peoples in the universe. The "magic circle" claim there may be disorder but the people are far too sensible for that.

They lost over Brexit which made them look stupid to all their bigwig mates across the world and now they are probably going to lose to Corbyn which will make them look stupid to the people. They chose Owen Smith as the best they had, so everyone, including the "magic circle", is now wondering if the 172 are capable of running a whelk stall, let alone the country.

There are reports that some of the 172 are already talking to Corbyn about the aftermath of this comic disaster. The credibility of the 172 is now shot to pieces, there are reports that the "magic circle" are so angry that they are refusing to take their calls and have told the 172 "you made your bed, now lie in it" and don't drag us into it because we are already a laughing stock among world bigwigs after Brexit and "we can't take any more".

'In the absence of terms and details, many people formed their own opinions about what BREXIT meant, and voted according to those expectations.'

The Establishment, their media mates, the BBC and the 172 never said that the Scottish people didn't understand what Yes and No for their indpendence meant. The only reason they are all saying that now over the Brexit vote is because the people beat them fair and square. Everyone in the country knows they are sore losers, including many Remainers who are disgusted at their attempts to nullify the British people's vote, but everyone knows what they are like and half-expected their best and brightest to come up with these weak arguments.

'Expectations will be raised amongst the millions who will join in a belief that their individual voice will be heard.'

But that is democracy. It is the best thing ever. It is why Cameron and Osborne are now gone, it is the people being able to stop the rot and end the madness of the political elite who are out of touch with the people.

'But yes, in terms of Owen Smith, he really is a liability.'

Yes

'Whatever happened to Angela Eagle......?'

To me it looked like the coup plotters had all come to an agreement that Smith was the best they had, but they surely couldn't have foreseen that he was the gift that keeps giving.

I think the "maagic circle" are going to want some explanations and answers from the 172 and none of the 172 want to be noiminated to have to explain it to the "magic circle" because the "magic circle" are not known for their sense of humour.

Yes because it will take years to work out the terms, but unfortuneately for Owen Smith, the 172 and the "magic circle", the people voted on whether to leave or remain, not on the terms and details, the dotted i's and crossed t's. That is something the people left up to the "magic circle" to sort out.