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Media coverage deliberately biased against Corbyn, British public believes

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claig · 04/09/2016 19:39

The public understand the media's game.

There is no fooling the public or the Corbynistas. The usual tactics of the metropolitan elite have failed.

"Perception of unfairness extends beyond supporters of Labour leader"
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A majority of the British public believe the media is deliberately biased against Jeremy Corbyn and seeking to portray him in a negative light.
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Women in the Labour selectorate were more likely to believe the coverage was biased than men and older people in the group were also more likely to believe it had been deliberately biased "

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-poll-labour-leadership-media-bias-believe-against-him-supporters-mi5-portland-a7225031.html

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Kaija · 06/09/2016 23:29

The majority of the population did not vote for Brexit.

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claig · 06/09/2016 23:26

'I want to know what all these 'anti-Establishment' folk are offering 'the people'.'

Corbyn said it best

"The principle of democracy has to be ground up.

It is about breaking open this magical circle of Westminster, some of our great universities, Whitehall and the boardrooms who try to control thinking, control ideas and control the way policy is developed."

It is about democracy, about the people having a voice and letting the members decide policy etc. It is about better government that is truly representative of the majority will, as in Brexit, despite what Owen Smith and the "magic circle" prefer.

'How the hell can Farage, Trump, Corbyn and your good self all be answering the call of 'the people'?'

Because the peopel are diverse and there is no one answer. What matters is that there is real choice and real democracy and that we all abide by the majority democratically decided choice of the people as in Brexit. Whoever wins the argument and convinces the majority deserves power to implement the will of the majority. the best choice is the one the people choose, not you or I.

'Tell us, Claig, who are 'the people'? What do 'they' want?'

The people are the majority of the populatin and they want a government that listens to them, is not out of touch, is not run by lobbyists and the City and the "magic circle" and which will implement the policies that the majority want.

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Iflyaway · 06/09/2016 23:24

Oh. Claig.

Just some awful right wing wanker non-stop on here.

Wait till Brexit reality hits UK. An island adrift in fairy tale land.

Iflyaway · 06/09/2016 23:20

Well, I was thrilled with Jeremy Corbyn being chosen as Labour leader.

However, I think he's been a wimp about the EU referendum and worry about the anti-Semitic stance, pro Hamas and IRA.

I would never vote for a man like that. he's too old and set in his ways anyway

But fuck. Who is going to take on this awful Conservative way into the future!

thecatfromjapan · 06/09/2016 23:19

'Magic circle' is another vacuous 'mean anything to anybody' terms.

I want to know what all these 'anti-Establishment' folk are offering 'the people'.

Hell, I want to know who 'the people' are.

How the hell can Farage, Trump, Corbyn and your good self all be answering the call of 'the people'?

It's not possible.

Tell us, Claig, who are 'the people'? What do 'they' want?

No empty tautologies, now. No saying 'the people are those who have seen through the establishment.' That, my friend, would be a veritable rhetorical see-saw of meaningless terms.

Dozer · 06/09/2016 23:09

The media reporting is terribly biased.

Corbyn and his tiny "top team" are not electable. But can't be ousted because of the way the party runs and lots of unrealistic members whose views are in the minority in the UK.

I really don't want to see a huge Tory majority in 2020 but unless something huge happens with the world/tories that's what I think will happen. Depressing. We've had ten years of tories already, the first five moderated by the Lib Dems.

Bye bye NHS, social care.

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claig · 06/09/2016 23:07

I know what is going on in Ukraine and know enough to agree with Trump and Farage and Putin that we don't want a world war over it and I agree with Farage that "the EU has blood on its hands" because it was instrumental in backing the coup that toppled an elected President and brought the whole catastrophe about.

What else goes in in Russia, I don't know.

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Kaija · 06/09/2016 23:03

You agree with Trump and Farage about Putin, enough to post repeatedly about Russia and the Ukraine, yet you don't know what goes on there.

So which is it?

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claig · 06/09/2016 22:57

'and that you were in agreement with Trump and Farage in their admiration of Putin.'

No, I said I agree with Trump and Farage and Corbyn over Putin. They don't admire him and nor do I.

"And you have contributed a lot of posts on the subject of Russia and the Ukraine across these boards so are clearly not indifferent to what is happening there."

Yes because I agree with Trum and Farage and to a lesser extent with Corbyn over Ukraine and Putin.

'So why is the Establishment in the US and Europe such a bad thing'

Because they are out of touch with the people and are doing stupid things that don't reflect the will of the people, as Corbyn detailed in his comments about the "magic circle".

'when it is such a good thing over there?'

I never said it was a good thing over there because I don't know what goes on over there.

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birdsdestiny · 06/09/2016 22:55

Oh yes corbyn , that well known anti establishment figure. Supported by a bunch of middle class activists who wouldn't recognise the Labour party if it hit them over the head. Whinging about media bias is what this section of the left do. Those of us who have been involved in the Labour party for years, thought that we had moved beyond blaming everything on the press. But that was when we were actually electable. As claig is demonstrating, those who support corbyn are nothing to do with Labour, in fact they support Ukip and Thatcher.

Kaija · 06/09/2016 22:51

Claig, on 29/8 you said "No, Putin is the Establishment in Russia." and that you were in agreement with Trump and Farage in their admiration of Putin. And you have contributed a lot of posts on the subject of Russia and the Ukraine across these boards so are clearly not indifferent to what is happening there.

So why is the Establishment in the US and Europe such a bad thing, when it is such a good thing over there?

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claig · 06/09/2016 22:40

'you have spoken in glowing terms about Putin and described him as part of the Russian establishment '

No I haven't. I don't know what the Russian Establishment is.

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NNChangeAgain · 06/09/2016 22:40

I am pro Trump, pro Farage and pro Corbyn. It doesn't get more anti-establishment than those three.

You know, that would make an amazing dinner party guest list. Inviting their wives would add a whole other dimension, too Wine

Kaija · 06/09/2016 22:39

So clearly not all Establishments are the same in your eyes.

Kaija · 06/09/2016 22:39

Yes Claig, you have spoken in glowing terms about Putin and described him as part of the Russian establishment - you said it on the recent Trump/Farage thread.

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claig · 06/09/2016 22:35

'And you don't apparently live in the US either, yet seem very enthused about Trump.'

Absolutely because America runs Europe and us and therefore when Trump wins, everything will change in Europe and here, as well as in America. Real change will only come from America and Trump will deliver it.

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claig · 06/09/2016 22:33

'Except that you have written in very very positive terms about Putin on these boards, and described him as Russia's establishment.'

No I haven't. I never said he was the Establishment as I don't know what goes on in Russia.

'So you are clearly not entirely anti-establishment.'

I am pro Trump, pro Farage and pro Corbyn. It doesn't get more anti-establishment than those three.

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Kaija · 06/09/2016 22:32

And you don't apparently live in the US either, yet seem very enthused about Trump.

Kaija · 06/09/2016 22:31

Except that you have written in very very positive terms about Putin on these boards, and described him as Russia's establishment. So you are clearly not entirely anti-establishment. What's the difference?

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claig · 06/09/2016 22:28

'What would you like to see happen in Russia for example?'

I know nothing about their Establishment and don't care as I don't live there, just as I don't care about the Chinese Establishment or the Brazilian one.

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claig · 06/09/2016 22:26

Needless to say, the "magic circle" are none too pleased by the turn of events, but they were unable to stop Corbyn and events are now spiralling out of their control.

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Kaija · 06/09/2016 22:24

Claig, you have just said you are a kipper. Owen Jones is not on your side. His establishment is not your establishment. I want to know what you mean by it since you are spraying it all over these boards.

You would like to see "the establishment" toppled in the uk and the US. What about other countries? What would you like to see happen in Russia for example?

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claig · 06/09/2016 22:23

'so they (ITV) are anti-establishment, and reported what JC had said, in order to galvanise people into agreeing with JC about said "magic circle".'

No, not quite. What is happening is that the "magic circle" are losing their touch, they are waving their wands and nothing is working for them any more, so the media worries that if it backs the "circle", it may be on the losing side and will therefore lose credibility, so some of the more courageous media appear to have told the "magic circle" to get stu**ed"

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NNChangeAgain · 06/09/2016 22:19

I think the "magic circle" instructed the media to keep it as quiet as possible because they know that the people would agree with Corbyn 100%.

Ah, ok, I get it now. The media have been instructed to stay silent, but the website you linked to (ITV) ignored that - so they (ITV) are anti-establishment, and reported what JC had said, in order to galvanise people into agreeing with JC about said "magic circle".

I'm absolutely certain that "the people" won't agree with JC 100% - because I'm one of "the people" and I don't agree with him Smile

I assume that Once the 172 have been replaced by corbynista candidates, the next Labour Party parliamentary campaign will reflect the tone of this thread? How interesting that will be Grin

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claig · 06/09/2016 22:14

'What is the Establishment, Claig? '

Owen Jones wrote a whole book about it, called "The Establishment and how they get away with it". That is a good starting point.

'And what do you think happens to a country once its establishment collapses?'

A new one is formed that is representative of the people.

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