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What happens if Trump wins?

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Soapalert · 31/07/2016 07:28

I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

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Lweji · 07/08/2016 11:05

But Trump has supposedly been an expert and told Washington people what to do for years.
Including his back-dated and imaginary criticism of the invasion of Iraq.
It's funny how people buy his I'm better than anyone and you, but I'm just one of you, not like other millionaires or politicians.

lljkk · 07/08/2016 11:01

The "Washington outsider" thing is huge in USA. I never got it.
It actually counts hugely against Clinton that she is hugely experienced in politics at the highest level. Americans vastly prefer amateurs, mavericks and outsiders. Which is good for innovation, but not so good when someone has the codes to the nuclear weapons.

Lweji · 07/08/2016 10:56

Davos doesn't know what to do about Trump, they have met their match.

Clearly they do, if Hillary is and has consistently been ahead in polls.
Trump being an unstoppable force is another of his and your myths.

Lweji · 07/08/2016 10:54

I'll quote Madonna and ask:
Who's that girl (rapper)?

From all the massive support Hillary has among blacks and arts related people, that one is significant? Why?

claig · 07/08/2016 10:54

'That's not a thing Claig, that's every election ever'

Special, you are absolutely right and that is why this election is so interesting in that for the first time ever this game is going to end. Trump intends to end all their dreams and all their schemes which is why they are in such shock. Davos doesn't know what to do about Trump, they have met their match.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 07/08/2016 10:49

*Paranoia

Lweji · 07/08/2016 10:49

It's particularly interesting that Trump is so highly invested in becoming part of the political establishment. As in those that are in power within official bodies.

Because he already is part of the financial elite and establishment or at least has wanted to be perceived as such. Perhaps he could be called an enfant terrible within elites and establishment, but he's firmly one of them and has always wanted to be seen as one and an important one at that. Being President would definitively confirm his elite and establishment credentials.

Why? Because he doesn't listen to people. He doesn't care what people feel or do. He wants to tell them. Only what he says is important.
He lives and breaths elite and establishment.

On another aspect, he has depended so much on banks that I'm sure he owes big favour, indeed the greatest favours if not the best favours. He's no better than other politicians, and just or more vulnerable.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 07/08/2016 10:48

So basically the whole establishment thing is paranoid. It's just the absurdly wealthy not giving a shit, the wealthy worrying about taxes, and the middle class/poor wanting the exact opposite.

That's not a thing Claig, that's every election ever

claig · 07/08/2016 10:40

Harlem-based black rapper, Azealia Banks, gives Trump a ringing endorsement

"Trump, on the other hand, she said was an 'a**hole,' but he's not part of the 'establishment.'

'Trump just wants the U.S to be lavish.... for all of us. I can f* with that,' she explained."

and about Hillary, she said

'Hillary has been GROOMED for the presidency. she's another one of the establishments robots here to carry out an agenda,' the songstress said of the Democratic frontrunner.'

and she also said in one of her tweets

'In one, she blamed 'the Liberal media' for branding Trump as a 'symbol of hatred.'

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3581147/Azealia-Banks-endorses-Trump-says-Hillary-Clinton-talks-black-people-children-pets.html

Lweji · 07/08/2016 10:31

Why are people working so hard to pin point what the establishment or the elites are?
They are just nice rethorical figures to give a name to the enemy and that mosy people automatically assume it's not them.
It works better than groups you can identify and that have a vote, like Muslims or Latinos or Black.
But it works like illegal immigrants who can be blamed for all evils because they can't vote.

Kaija · 07/08/2016 10:27

There's another group of anti-establishment types that are doing a lot of winning lately, and that's the group that see the status quo as an impediment to making unlimited amounts of money. They use the word "establishment" as a cover for the net of regulation, taxation, workers' rights, publicly-owned services etc. that we might see as holding society together, but are certainly an irritation to a certain kind of megalomaniac capitalist. (Of course you might argue that they also have chips on their shoulders, thinking of Arron Banks, Murdoch et al.)

lljkk · 07/08/2016 09:53

Maybe I have figured out the "elites" & "establishment" stuff.
It's all about fairness. The "establishment" think "the system" is fundamentally capable of adequate fairness (with ongoing modifications, fair enough). The elites are the people who A) are doing well and B)don't actively complain or campaign that the system needs immediate radical change.

The anti-establishmentarians have chips on their shoulders, or see huge social injustice.

Trump's supporters are more in the "Almighty chips on shoulder" than caring a toss about social injustice. Sanders supporters worry about injustice. That's why Trump trumpets Armaggeddon, and Sanders talks about a more positive future.

Chips on shoulders:
Farage, Boris, Trump

Mixed:
Leadsome, Gove

Social injustice
Frank Fields, Sanders

Or maybe I'm talking rubbish & the anti-establishment types are merely anarchists & fascists. I guess time will tell.

TheDowagerCuntess · 07/08/2016 03:48

We all know Trump has an exceedingly high IQ

Gosh, he does an exceedingly good job of hiding it, I suppose to appeal to the types of people who support him.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 07/08/2016 01:17

IMO, the reason the media gives him so much attention isn't for any sinister reason, it's ratings. He's the Kim Kardashian of politics. The shock value brings in higher ratings than proper politics.

SpecialAgentFreyPie · 07/08/2016 01:13

Sorry Claig, I appreciate you taking the the time to respond to me, but I'm just not smart enough to understand I guess. Sad

Lweji · 07/08/2016 01:05

Hmmm...

About his supposed IQ and "academic" achievements:
www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-donald-trump-tells-about-donald-trump/2016/01/28/b7cead16-c46e-11e5-9693-933a4d31bcc8_story.html

"Gwenda Blair, in her 2001 book “The Trumps,” said that Trump’s grades at Fordham were just “respectable” and that he got into Wharton mainly because he had an interview with an admissions officer who had been a high school classmate of his older brother."

Threesoundslikealot · 07/08/2016 01:04

You are doing exactly that, Claig, as I think you must know.

claig · 07/08/2016 01:01

'Politics is meant to be at least based on truth and trust'

It never has been, just look at the Remain campaign.

claig · 07/08/2016 01:00

Threesoundslikealot, we have that in common.

Good night.

Threesoundslikealot · 07/08/2016 00:59

Politics is meant to be at least based on truth and trust, odd as that will seem to any Trump supporter.

Threesoundslikealot · 07/08/2016 00:58

Sorry, Claig, but we have nothing in common. It'll be a cold day in hell before I support a racist, lying, bigoted hypocrite who wants to torture people, ally himself to an expansionist despot, and stir up civil unrest in false pretences.

claig · 07/08/2016 00:57

'Isn't Trump trying to scare voters over Hillary?'

Yes, he is doing it about her and she is doing it about him. That is how politics goes.

claig · 07/08/2016 00:54

'How did I know you'd say that?!'

Because great minds think alike?

Kaija · 07/08/2016 00:53

This is some grim stuff.

Threesoundslikealot · 07/08/2016 00:52

How did I know you'd say that?!

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