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What happens if Trump wins?

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Soapalert · 31/07/2016 07:28

I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

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Lweji · 07/08/2016 23:31

More importantly who do gamer Youtubers endorse?

- a pink sheep - the one with the greatest moves.
SpecialAgentFreyPie · 07/08/2016 19:34

I suffer from horrific insomnia, I swear I'm not a Putin troll Blush

I'd be doing a pretty awful job if I was Grin

I'm not great at following polls, but from what I can understand it's indisputable Hillary is preferred.

Threesoundslikealot · 07/08/2016 17:18

Yes, the article was written at the only point so far at which Trump was ahead in the polls, including in the four swing states he mentions. Clinton is now ahead in all four, with a double digits lead in two.

Azealia Banks had her Twitter account suspended for racist tweets. I mean, if we're going to start bandying about celebrity names, let's fill in the background.

Lweji · 07/08/2016 16:19

The article had been discussed ealier on.

JudyCoolibar · 07/08/2016 16:17

Actually, Lweji's right, that article was in June at the only point when Trump was doing better in the polls. I suspect he would say different now, but if it has prompted more people to make sure they vote against Trump, that's all to the good.

claig · 07/08/2016 16:14

'The problem with Moore's article is that nowhere does he actually acknowledge what the figures are telling us.'

Good point, Judy. Maybe Moore doesn't trust the polls too much, I don't know.

Lweji · 07/08/2016 16:08

I don't think I'm the one out of touch.
Moore's article was written during a glitch and it was a call to Democrats and anti-Trump not to think that it will be an easy victory for Clinton.
People WILL have to vote.

JudyCoolibar · 07/08/2016 16:03

That should be campaign, not claim.

JudyCoolibar · 07/08/2016 16:02

The problem with Moore's article is that nowhere does he actually acknowledge what the figures are telling us. For example, he thinks Trump is focussing his claim in “the rust belt”, but even there he simply isn't polling anything like the numbers he needs. Most relevantly, he isn't cutting it in any minority group or in any significant swing state. It is frankly staggering that he is only polling 1% of the black vote. If Moore's analysis went the other way, the US right wing would be treating it exactly the same as they treat the rest of what he says - I wonder why they have suddenly decided that he's 100% accurate in this one article?

claig · 07/08/2016 15:47

Lweji, I think you are out of touch with what is really going on. Lots of big political figures and business people and military do support Trump, as well as lots of ordinary people, which is why Trump thrashed all of the Establishment Republicaan candidates.

Michael Moore describes the echo chamber in his article where he says that Trump will win.

"I can see what you’re doing right now. You’re shaking your head wildly – “No, Mike, this won’t happen!” Unfortunately, you are living in a bubble that comes with an adjoining echo chamber where you and your friends are convinced the American people are not going to elect an idiot for president."

SwedishEdith · 07/08/2016 15:47

Kirstie Alley is a scientologist and Clint Eastwood thinks people should “just f*cking get over” racially sensitive remarks made by Trump. Hooray, ain't progress great!

Lweji · 07/08/2016 15:42

That famous figures like Azealia Banks, Loretta Lynn, Kirstie Alley and Clint Eastwood back Trump and don't believe he is like Hitler as the media tries to portray him.

There were people even during the war that didn't believe Hitler was like Hitler. Some people don't believe now. Some people are prepared to say the Holocaust didn't happen. That shows nothing. Particularly if all you have to show is four "famous" people.

You then have a wide range of actually famous and intelligent people with experience of politics and economy that he is a danger. Not to their position, but for the people. And quite frankly, that's what it seems to me, regardless of what the media says. (except for the part where he needs to get Congress to do his bidding).

JudyCoolibar · 07/08/2016 15:42

Yes, the rich, the powerful, the famous, the influential, Wall Street, the elite and the Establishment back Hillary.

So why are we supposed to get excited because one rapper and that idiot Eastwood support Trump?

I'm glad you acknowledge that accurate polls on Brexit got it right, claig. Because the accurate polls on the US election aren't going your way.

claig · 07/08/2016 15:41

'Claig, and I'm trying to be patient here'

Why change your usual approach?

'You cannot dispute that or claim otherwise.'

I am not disputing it. I am saying I don't believe the polls just as I didn't believe the polls the team told us about Brexit.

I don't know what will happen, but my guess is that Trump will win on the day and that the polls will have inaccurately reflected the will of the American people, but we will have to wait and see and I may be wrong on that.

Lweji · 07/08/2016 15:38

Claig, and I'm trying to be patient here, current polls for the election in the US show a variety of results. Right now, all give a victory to Clinton. It's only on occasion that Trump has gone ahead and by a small margin.
We don't know which is the most accurate, but unlike for the Referendum, where it was difficult to say which way, right now and consistently, Clinton has been ahead and a people's favourite. You cannot dispute that or claim otherwise.

claig · 07/08/2016 15:36

'What are you trying to say when you post that someone endorsed Trump?'

That famous figures like Azealia Banks, Loretta Lynn, Kirstie Alley and Clint Eastwood back Trump and don't believe he is like Hitler as the media tries to portray him.

As Azealia herself tweeted

'In one, she blamed 'the Liberal media' for branding Trump as a 'symbol of hatred.'

It sounds like she is wise to the tricks.

claig · 07/08/2016 15:33

'I seem to remember that the polls did indicate that Brexit could win.'

Yes, the accurate polls.

"The Remain Camp Got A Poll Boost on the Eve of the Brexit Vote
...
A telephone survey by polling firm ComRes, conducted for the Daily Mail newspaper and ITV television showed the “Remain” campaign had a 48% to 42% lead over “Leave.”

fortune.com/2016/06/23/brexit-poll-eu-referendum-remain/

I wouldn't be surprised if we hear a similar thing on the eve of polling in the US.

Lweji · 07/08/2016 15:32

So, Trump has 60% unfavourable and 30% favourable.
Vs 50% unfavourable and 40% favourable by Clinton .

elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/donald-trump-favorable-rating
elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

And btw, you do know that for the most part, polls do predict election results.

SwedishEdith · 07/08/2016 15:30

Full list of polls

ig.ft.com/sites/brexit-polling/

Lweji · 07/08/2016 15:27

But pathetic small numbers of endorsements and by virtual unknowns, mean what?
What are you trying to say when you post that someone endorsed Trump?

Lweji · 07/08/2016 15:26

I seem to remember that the polls did indicate that Brexit could win.

claig · 07/08/2016 15:26

'But, claig, you choose to report endorsements by some elite members. Do they count or not?'

I have said, I think they have an effect which is why Labour uses Eddie Izzard and the Establishment uses the tried and tested Sir Bob Gumdrop.

Lweji · 07/08/2016 15:25

Ahhh Snoop Dog, the bastion of decent morals and intelligent political debate.

Well, if we're going to include rappers, we wouldn't have much choice. Grin

claig · 07/08/2016 15:24

'Claig, the American people, according to the polls have consistently and expressively been saying Clinton. '

I wouldn't put too much faith in the "polls". Just like in Brexit, where on the eve of polling, the team told us that Remain was 10 points ahead of Leave, they got it wrong.

Lweji · 07/08/2016 15:23

But, claig, you choose to report endorsements by some elite members. Do they count or not?
(I don't care about endorsements - you're the one who keep banging us with them)

The people dislike Trump. He has a very high disapproval rate in the US.

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