What happens if Trump wins?

My answer is "not sure". Trump's policy positions on various subjects (as will Clinton's to a certain extent, but maybe less so because she seems to want to follow on quite a lot of Obama policies).

As an example the ban on Muslims has now evolved into a potential ban on immigration "from any nation that has been compromised by terrorism". A CNN article 25 July suggests the range of countries that could cover based on current State Department definitions - "terrorist safe havens", "state sponsors of terrorism", "Nations where terror networks are based and operate" and "Other countries with active terror cells: 11 countries;" The last group includes the UK, France and Germany.
Trump has not gone into detail so it may not affect the UK at all.

Article includes following
"Trump has not defined which countries would be included in that list of territories, but on "Meet the Press" Sunday, he refused to rule out banning individuals from top US allies like France and Germany, saying that "they have totally been" compromised by terrorism."

edition.cnn.com/2016/06/15/politics/muslim-ban-maps-donald-trump/

Many (?most) previous presidents have/had enough personal wealth to not 'have' to work, yet they are more part of some kind of conspiracy than Trump?
Don't get me wrong, there's hardly any politician I would trust further than I could throw them, but I truly do not get what makes you (and so upsettingly many others) think that Trump would be different, just because of the frothing retoric?? Oh my.
"Make America great again."
"Down with Globalisation and Elites"
"Lets keep Muslims out" "Build a wall"
What does any of that even mean?

You absolutely did not read like you were joking.

It's one of the things claig says then it's caught short.

He doesn't need to line his pockets

So, why did he start a con university and sells his own name as brand to dodgy companies and then telling the conned people (who trusted the name) that he has nothing to do with them?

It was the thread about the 9/11 attack. You absolutely did not read like you were joking.

Anyway I've bitten and got the expected answer so I shall leave it there.

'Claig I seem to remember you saying that the only newspaper that you could trust implicitly to tell the truth was the daily mail.'

That was a slight exaggeration and a bit of a joke.

'Here you are again quoting from any other newspaper but, and quoting from newspapers run by the 'elite' and 'the establishment' to back your argument'

I prefer to quote from the Guardian as I know that most posters prefer that to the Daily Mail.

'but if the daily mail is the only paper to tell the truth does that mean we should discredit the articles you presented here?'

No, because I am quoting good independent journalists who understand, as the Guardian one does, "the crapness of our political system" based on the groupthink mentality of its predominantly Oxbridge makeup which is not based on talent, or the UN official who doesn't like Trump but realises he will win a landslide or the author of "Protest Vote" in the Daily Telegraph who understands that Trump is the result of the out-of-touchness of the useless geek elite from elite universities who are educated in groupthink.

I'm really regretting opening this thread but here goes.

Claig I seem to remember you saying that the only newspaper that you could trust implicitly to tell the truth was the daily mail. Here you are again quoting from any other newspaper but, and quoting from newspapers run by the 'elite' and 'the establishment' to back your argument. I questioned it at the time (and I'll expect the same answer again) but if the daily mail is the only paper to tell the truth does that mean we should discredit the articles you presented here? I respect the fact that you have very different political views from the majority here but the 'facts' upon which you base your opinions seem to lack any of your self-imposed consistency and credence.

Great article spikywater, a depressing read indeed.

'Ok, I'll bite: what makes you think that Trump and those hanging on to his shirttails will act with less self-interest?'

Because Trump is not a "career politician", he is not "bought and paid for", he is a billionaire and not a puppet that is owned by a bank. He didn't go through all the Establishment smears and media insults and all the professional politicians across the world insulting him, only to do what they all do. He is the real "change agent", not Establishment Clinton.

'Or will he use them as vote fodder to then line his own pockets?'

He doesn't need to line his pockets; he is a billionaire and businessman. He prfers business to politics but has had to stand for office to take America back from what he calls the "losers" who are "bought and paid for" in the pay of corportions and banks handing over American sovereignty and ruining the country.

Trump is fighting for America, he is taking it back from the globalists and their cast of puppets across the world. He told them what he was doing and that is why they are in meltdown. Their entire global governance game is over, in tatters, Trump will end it.

“We will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism,” Trump promised during a speech in Washington.

“I am skeptical of international unions that tie us up and bring America down,” he claimed. “And under my administration, we will never enter America into any agreement that reduces our ability to control our own affairs.

“The nation-state remains the true foundation of happiness and harmony.”

thehill.com/policy/national-security/277879-trump-warns-against-false-song-of-globalism

So elect a bigoted angry narcissistic pretty average (I'm being kind) "businessman" instead? Some who has never done the slightest public service before? Who can't refrain from reacting to every perceived slight? Who thinks Putin has it going on? Who said he'd sleep with his daughter?

Baffled as always, that anyone thinks this specimen of a man is a saviour of anything

Though mind you, in fairness to republican voters, the choices were piss poor LRB link

Ok, I'll bite: what makes you think that Trump and those hanging on to his shirttails will act with less self-interest? Will the billionaire Trump really become the Champion of The People?
Or will he use them as vote fodder to then line his own pockets? While creating mayhem in the rest of the world.

"This total incompetence, this craven self-interest, this embarrassing fecklessness is what you get when you live in a country where political leaders are mainly selected via elitism rather than talent: 33% of MPs went to private school, and nearly a quarter went to Oxbridge. This doesn’t just end with members of parliament either: 43% of newspaper columnists and 26% of BBC executives were all educated privately. Oxbridge graduates make up 57% of permanent secretaries, 50% of diplomats, 47% of newspaper columnists, 44% of public body chairs and 33% of BBC executives."

And nearly the entire groupthink lot are against Trump. How useless and out of touch can they get when they can't even see the obvious that Trump will be President and change nearly everything.

And this is from the Guardian. In my opinion, these Oxbridge elites are parachuted into safe seats simply because they are Oxbridge (and will do what the Establishment wants) not because of any talent. That is why we are so mismanaged and run by plonkers who are out of touch with the people. And that is why Trump is beating all of the same ilk across the Pond.

"When political leaders are selected via elitism not talent, you get chaos

The EU referendum vote is just the latest disaster caused by a political class woefully out of touch with the country. Some humility now please

There’s nothing quite like a constitutional crisis to expose what can only be described as the abject crapness of our political class.
...
To turn things around, the Westminster bubble will need to display a level of self-reflection that it has hitherto been incapable of. It needs to display humility, and recognise that it has got pretty much every major political event of the past five years completely wrong. "

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jun/28/political-leaders-elitism-eu-referendum

The Dily Telegraph article sums it up

"Never have professional politicians and media pundits on both sides of the Atlantic been so completely out of step with vast swathes of the electorate. The over-educated simply do not get the under-educated, but under-educated doesn’t equate with stupid. That’s what politicians and the media need to wise up to, and the same goes for Europe as well as the US."

Brokenbiscuit, that's OK. I post so that people who don't know how it works can understand what it is really all about.

Claig, I used to find your contributions quite interesting as an alternative point of view, but I'm afraid you are becoming a caricature of yourself. The rhetoric in your posts is laughable - all this crap about "the people" vs "the Oxbridge elites". I'm afraid I don't even bother reading your comments any more, because they all seem to say the same thing.

One of the biggest changes in the entire world will be what happens with Russia. Trump will overturn decades of US and NATO policy towards Russia. Russia will no longer be a potential enemy and will become a partner. There will be no war, there will be peace, cooperation and business.

News report from 15 minutes ago in USA Today

"Trump to consider recognizing Russian control of Crimea"

www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/2016/07/31/donald-trump-russia-ukraine-vladimir-putin-abc/87884072/

"How the Republican Establishment Lost to Trump on Russia"

www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/how-the-republican-establishment-lost-to-trump-on-russia

Trump intends to rebuild America, scrap the elite's and the puppets' trade deals, bring jobs back to America and transform US foreign policy. That is why the bankers are in such panic.

They thought they were smarter than the people, they thought they had it all sewn up, they thought they could convince us Corbyn was a "bully", but it is the end of all their schemes. They can't understand it, they didn't teach them that at Oxbridge.

"Donald Trump is giving the over-educated geeks who run the world a sharp lesson in reality

The establishment has thrown everything at Donald Trump and failed. Again and again, he brushes off their insults and indignation and bags a few more million votes. But unlike everyone else in the media, I see Mr Trump’s decisive victory in Indiana as a really hopeful sign for democracy in the West.

Never have professional politicians and media pundits on both sides of the Atlantic been so completely out of step with vast swathes of the electorate. The over-educated simply do not get the under-educated, but under-educated doesn’t equate with stupid. That’s what politicians and the media need to wise up to, and the same goes for Europe as well as the US.
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Like Reagan before him, Trump is the great communicator of his time, and while his style might not be to everyone’s taste he is in sync with the zeitgeist. He is bringing back disgruntled voters who had given up on the whole process and is giving them hope. Those blue-collar workers who always looked to the Democrats to give them a break now look to Trump. The under-educated—normally ignored and despised by the media—are getting their moment to speak, and they’re not as dumb as they look. They’re actually street smart, full of common sense, and way ahead of the curve on this."

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/06/donald-trump-is-giving-the-over-educated-geeks-who-run-the-world/

It's all over for them, their schemes tossed in the bin, Trump will overturn everything they have done.

The establishment has thrown everything at Donald Trump and failed. Again and again, he brushes off their insults and indignation and bags a few more million votes. But unlike everyone else in the media, I see Mr Trump’s decisive victory in Indiana as a really hopeful sign for democracy in the West.

Never have professional politicians and media pundits on both sides of the Atlantic been so completely out of step with vast swathes of the electorate. The over-educated simply do not get the under-educated, but under-educated doesn’t equate with stupid. That’s what politicians and the media need to wise up

Didn't Claig predict a UKIP landslide last year, too?
Actually, Claig's strong record of wrong predictions are quite reassuring at the moment. :)

Are you suggesting I am David Cameron?

again, news to me I am the Establishment. Nope, just some poor fucker who gets racist shit yelled at them (presumably by The People)

But how gratifying to hear from you that I occupy such a blessed echelon in society after all!

'I wasn't one of The People who had the last laugh after the referendum'

There were reports of tears in Number Ten. That is democracy. The Establishment lost.

well claig, as an uncontrolled immigrant, I am definitely on the bottom. Whoever these People are who will have the last laugh when trump is elected, I am not one of them. I'm just a person, not a People I guess.

I wasn't one of The People who had the last laugh after the referendum, either. I probably was part of a People, once, but genocide and ethnic cleansing put paid to that. Hey ho.

Well, enjoy your victory.

America is fucked. Fascism never does well.

'it is news to me that I am part of a metropolitan elite'

You aren't the metropolitan elite - that is Cameron, Miliband and the Oxbridge teams. You may vote for them, but that doesn't make you one of them

I totally agree that he will win.

it is news to me that I am part of a metropolitan elite, however.

Sadly it wasn't much use to me after the referendum when passers by shared their trenchant political commentary racist abuse shouted from cars with me

God, it's a MacLeod elite.