What happens if Trump wins?

Also, under Trump, Isis will be wiped out in weeks, as Trump and Putin and Assad probably do a deal to jointly finish them off and go after the people who have been funding and arming them.

ISIS is an idea.

And you've not explained why people like Trump and Farage, who incite racial hatred, don't scare the bejeezus out of you or why you find wealthy haters so exciting?

I knew I should have ignored this thread.

And if Trump does win, all you UK and Canadian MNers can expect a PM from me asking if you have a spare room!

you know what, this actually irritates me (sorry I know you were probably not being that serious). If Trump wins it is time for people who disagree with him to stay and vote and protest and be politically active.

I have dual citizenship as does everyone in my family but if Trump wins I certainly won't leave the country. I'll start being more and more politically active and start giving more money to political causes. DH and I were only saying this the other day - complete bore for us if Trump gets in (although he will most likely give tax breaks etc that benefit us) because we'll have to go out and work for the Democratic party, sign up, make phone calls, give more money etc.

'And I suspect there will be no one gladder than Trump himself to leave the White house in 2020.'

Trump says that America will have 4 or 8 good years when Trump overturns all the crap that has gone on and then after that the Establishment will probably all get back in and do what they did before with the lobbyists, the trade deals, the deficits, the trillions on wars and all the rest of it.

Trump will be friendly to Russia.

yeah, for obvious reasons. that's what worries us.

It doesn't worry me that much though. I have a lot of faith in the separation of powers and the ultimate strength of the US Congress and the US Supreme Court. My own belief if is there is a Trump presidency (and considering he has 94% unfavourability among black americans it isn't in any way assured that there will be), it will be a one-term damp squib.

And I suspect there will be no one gladder than Trump himself to leave the White house in 2020. Well no, I suspect Melania will be.

I am actually terrified of this. Trump is an egomaniacal menace. His first thought in any situation will be 'What's in it for me' rather than 'What's best for America'. And his first reaction to foreign governments or leaders is going to be based on his ego rather than cool logic and diplomacy. He's going to act as if 'Leader of the Free World' is his actual title, rather than a symbolic one. I will say though that I think the conservatives may be in for a bit of a shock when it comes to abortion and gun rights. Trump may be a wee bit more 'leftie' than he lets on.

It's becoming frightening to me to see, not only the people who intend to vote for him strictly on 2nd amendment issues (fear that Clinton will 'take their guns') without caring about his stand on other issues or his personal lack of ethics, but those people who were Sanders supporters who are so full of anger at Bernie not getting the nomination that they're saying they won't vote at all. They 'hate Trump' but are 'mad at Clinton'. They don't seem to realize that in not voting to 'spite' Clinton, they may very well be responsible for a Trump victory.

It's a very scary time in the US. And if Trump does win, all you UK and Canadian MNers can expect a PM from me asking if you have a spare room!

twohearts, the author of that article is not being realistic. He says he thinks something like the following may happen

"A divided Europe, with the leaders of France, Hungary, Poland, Slovakia, and others now pro-Russia, anti-EU, and funded by Putin, overrule calls for sanctions or a military response. NATO is slow to respond: Trump does not want America to be involved, and a large part of Europe is indifferent or blocking any action. Russia, seeing no real resistance to their actions, move further into Latvia, and then into Eastern Estonia and Lithuania. The Baltic States declare war on Russia and start to retaliate, as they have now been invaded so have no choice. Half of Europe sides with them, a few countries remain neutral, and a few side with Russia. Where does Turkey stand on this? How does ISIS respond to a new war in Europe? Who uses a nuclear weapon first?"

Half of Europe will never go to war with Russia without America and as the author says, Trump is not interested in going to war with Russia. So none of that will happen. Also, under Trump, Isis will be wiped out in weeks, as Trump and Putin and Assad probably do a deal to jointly finish them off and go after the people who have been funding and arming them.

Trump will be friendly to Russia. There is far more chance of war if Trump is not elected.

What happens if Trump becomes president?

Well, here's one theory (lots of preface, prediction to how it all unfolds begins about halfway down with the phrase "Trump is doing this in America..."):

medium.com/@theonlytoby/history-tells-us-what-will-happen-next-with-brexit-trump-a3fefd154714#.dog6fzfkh

I do think this is is likely.

'Why don't people like Trump and Farage, who incite racial hatred, scare the bejeezus out of you?'

Because I ignore the Establishment media lies about them. Trump is neck and neck with Hillary, Trump won the most votes of any Republican ever in the primaries. Trump and Farage are hated by the Establishment because they are scared of them because they know their game will be up with them. It is the same as the way the Establishment call Corbyn a "bully". I don't believe that either. They call him a "bully" because they are scared of Corbyn and want him out because, like Trump and Farage, he won't do what he is told.

The Oxbridge teams use tricks and smears against politicians who challenge the Establishment consensus. The American Republicans saw through it and shocked the Republican elite by voting for Trump in record numbers.

Next, the American people will shock the world elites when they vote Trump in as President. The elites will have lost, the Establishment media will have failed to fool the people.

claig - Why don't people like Trump and Farage, who incite racial hatred, scare the bejeezus out of you? Why do you find wealthy haters so exciting?

I suspect they took his phone away from him to stop him saying something awful

Probably nothing much really.

The military won't follow orders to use torture. Apart from the fact that many of them have moral and legal objections, they cannot let themselves open to the inevitable lawsuits once a different administration is in power.

The wall will never be built. For one thing they would probably need immigrant labor to build it.

The muslim thing will slip completely except as rhetoric.

Trump will constantly promise all sorts of change and then be shocked that the constitution doesn't allow him/the US to do it.

Black people will continue to feel unwelcome and unprotected. The white non college educated men who voted for Trump will continue to be poor with poor prospects.

Obamacare will remain in place because the health care industry and insurance industry will make it quite clear that will not/cannot dismantle it.

There will be a huge increase in the number of communication specialists in the white house. One set to monitor what Trump says. The other to provide clarification when he breaks free (I am trying to imagine the scene in his camp after Michelle Obama's speech - I suspect they took his phone away from him to stop him saying something awful).

The gridlock in Washington about legislation will continue.

US will be a bit embarrassed about the crap he comes out with.

The entire nation will pray for the health of Ruth Badar Ginsberg. In fact most churches will start praying explictly for the health of all supreme court justices.

Then they will start praying for the health of Trump, when they get a good look at the actual beliefs of his VP.

Trump will give a cabinet position to his daughter and won't understand the uproar.

In 4 years time it will all be over.

'So he's dishonest, then?'

Yes, he plays the game. He is a showman, a salesman. All Trump fans know he is kidding them on some issues, but they don't care because they think he is far better than the Establishment candidates.

Oh, right, he is just like any other politician then?

Just more rich.
Or less rich?

I agree that Trump will probably be elected, but I am reasonably sure he will end up being impeached and stripped of his office relatively early on in his presidency.
cexu, that actually horrifies me. If it did play out like that, what a waste of a campaign and a waste of every voters times, consideration and votes.
Ah, well, time will tell (unless the thatch haired one presses the red button some time soon).

'What has he done to deserve such love? '

He is anti-establishment and he scares the bejeezus out of them. That is why he is so popular. People have had enough of the "crapness" of the system, the spin, the lies and the lobbyists, as the Guardian journalist understood.

So he's dishonest, then?

53rdAndBird, yes, but I don't believe a lot of what Trump says. He is a showman, an entertainer, he is saying outrageous stuff to get media coverage and to appear tough t othe people by distancing himself from the politically correct political class. I don't think he will do half of what he says.

Where does your childlike trust in Trump come from? Genuinely, you sound like some young ingenue actress, talking about the director who has just given her a Big Roll after a performance on the casting couch.
What has he done to deserve such love?

Claig, does it bother you a little bit that Trump is hugely in favour of torture and wants the US military to be doing more of it?

'Maybe 'nobody owns him' which just translate to 'he can do whatever he jolly well pleases' - that does NOT reassure me.'

It doesn't reassure the elites either because they know they can't control him and he will be going after the crooked ones. But to Trump fans, that is Trump's key appeal, he says he is "going to clean house in Washington", act like a wrecking ball in K Street, where the lobbyists have their offices, he says he will "work for the American people" and that is why the elites and their cast of puppets from elite universities across the planet are all against him.

Maybe 'nobody owns him' which just translate to 'he can do whatever he jolly well pleases' - that does NOT reassure me.

StorminaBCup, I do exaggerate to make a point.

'So, why did he start a con university and sells his own name as brand to dodgy companies and then telling the conned people (who trusted the name) that he has nothing to do with them?'

Not to line his pockets, as Trump University is a tiny part of his business.

'Many (?most) previous presidents have/had enough personal wealth to not 'have' to work, yet they are more part of some kind of conspiracy than Trump?'

None of them has been as independently wealthy as Trump. He self-financed his primary run, the "career politicians" need millions of dollars in campaign contributions to fund attack ads against their opponents. They are in hock to lobbyists, nearly all the Republican lobbyists are anti Trump and were funding Establishment candidates like "low energy" Jeb Bush or Rubio or even Cruz when they realised that Trump was going to be exceedingly difficult to stop.

'but I truly do not get what makes you (and so upsettingly many others) think that Trump would be different'

Read interviews of Trump fans. They all say Trump is not Establishment, he is not "bought and paid for", no one "owns him" and he is not politically correct and therefore is anti the Establishment who all are politically correct. So basically, Trump is different to the Oxbridge, Harvard and lobbyist lot.

As Niall Ferguson, who is most probably anti Trump and an Establishment backer of Remain with Cameron and the rest of the Establishment, says in today's Sunday Times

"As the Fishtown hordes rally to Trump, Hillary’s elite risks coming apart
...
On the one hand there is a “cognitive elite”, who are educated together at universities such as Harvard, marry each other, work together and live together in the same exclusive neighbourhoods.

Concentrated in “super zip codes” such as Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, Malibu, Manhattan and Boston

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/as-the-fishtown-hordes-rally-to-trump-hillarys-elite-risks-coming-apart-53tf5qspr

A-ha!! Coo, you are one of The Elite too!!

was a billionaire. Hasn't the campaigning come close to bankrupting him? He'll need to prioritise pocket-lining ASAP early on in his presidency if he wants to be a billionaire again by the time he leaves office.

I agree that Trump will probably be elected, but I am reasonably sure he will end up being impeached and stripped of his office relatively early on in his presidency.

What is this 'over-education'? How much is too much? Many people could do with a bit more.

It's one of the things claig says then it's caught short.

I know. I knew it was coming but I like to give people a chance.