What happens if Trump wins?

He's now claiming the election will be rigged, that Hillary Clinton is the devil, and that waterboarding is fine.

Liar, liar, pants on fire

It's not just the content of Trump's speeches that are scarily reminiscent of 1930s Germany, it's the ranting and frothing at the mouth too. The style is so similar - I find this so incredibly off-putting

Yes, I am sure The Elite is just as baffled as anybody with the ability of critical thinking. Yes, he might well be saying something that many people want to hear - exactly that is what is so worrying . People are sheep IMVHO and the disenfranchised are angry and frustrated sheep that will follow any shepherd that promises them a dry stables and food whether he can/wants to deliver or not.

"You could, very obviously, say the same about Hitler in the 1930s."

And this is what is so frightening. Trump's jingoistic, xenophobic 'America first, America is best" rants do sound terribly familiar.

Of course I want my country to be strong and secure. But not at the expense of a segment of its people or its relationship with its allies.

Yy, I find it's hard to argue back at indecipherable ranting, Judy.

I think Trump's populist economic message baffles "the elite" because it is such a pile of rubbish that they are baffled that anyone could even put such nonsense forward.

He must be saying something that people want to hear

Sometimes Godwin's is the only way to go. You could, very obviously, say the same about Hitler in the 1930s.

I suspect First Daughter could eventually run the country and get the votes too. She doesn't seem to have the ego for that, but also, I suspect she'd run for the Democrats. Particularly if her dad managed to ruin the country.

I'd almost be looking forward to his State of the Union addresses, and particularly the White House correspondents' dinner speech. I'm sure they'd be great comedic (cringing) moments.

So the Republicans are cynical hypocrites. It's hardly news, is it?

'but sometimes they worry the elites (and everyone else) because they are dangerous nutcases.'

Before Trump ran for President, he was loved by the Republican Establishment. They all wanted his cheques, his reality TV fame, they all invited him to their speeches and Mitt Romney begged Trump for his endorsement. As soon as Trump ran for President and challenged their sacred cows on trade, immigration, Russia, foreign policy etc, they turned on him and called him a "nutcase", "dangerous" etc, just like Corbyn is now called a "bully".

Am scrolling past about half the posts, sorry if I've missed anything.

This is where the Constitution really scores, Trump will run up against legal barriers whenever his staff try to implement anything much. Next phase will be him blaming inaction on that, probably in intemperate language. Then either he will actually show some evidence of the whole Art of the Deal schtick and work with Congress (unlikely), or will incite home-grown terrorist violence against the judiciary (quite possible but at least should mean rapid impeachment) or he will sulk, go on lengthy foreign tours blowing in Nicola whatsernames ear and having photo ops with sports stars. The UK will be fairly fucked as he and May will get on like a house filled with cement. Melania will fade out and the First Daughter will run the country.

Trump has renounced fuck all. He's made money all his life, mostly on speculation, gambling, and close to complete bankruptcy, and is on an ego trip now. Quite frankly, I worry for people who think this man is their hero and champion of the people.

Sometimes people worry the elites because they intend to limit their position, but sometimes they worry the elites (and everyone else) because they are dangerous nutcases.

This is why Trump is so popular with the people and not with the Economist, the Financial Times, Davos and the world's political class

"Trump’s populist economic message baffles the elites

The mainstream media continues to be baffled by the success of Donald Trump’s presidential campaign as he solidifies his Republican base and gains in the polls against his likely Democratic rival.

That may be because media analysts are totally missing the point.

Typical is a contribution this week to the New York Times “Upshot” opinion series by business correspondent Peter Eavis, who opines that “the boring economy seems to be making the presidential race even more exciting.”

Really? Boring economy? Have you really not seen the thousands of people who throng to Trump’s rallies, or those of Bernie Sanders, and raucously celebrate that at last someone has recognized they are suffering from an oppressively unjust economic system and losing hope?"

www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-populist-economic-message-baffles-the-elites-2016-05-25

'I cannot get over how the billionaire son of a multi-millionaire has become a Champion of The People '

Because of his policies which have the FInancil Times, Davos and the elite worried. Just as Tony Benn, a hereditary Viscount or whatever before he renounced, had policies for the people.

'interchangeable posts containing (but not limited to) the phrases OxBridge, The Elite, The People, The Establishment, running scared, Davos etc etc in various combinations'

Because I want to emphasise that those are what really lie behind the anti Corbyn and anti Trump coverage by the corporate media whose bosses are not happy with Corbyn's and Trump's policies because they are for the people and not Wall Street, K Street and corporations.

'And watching Fox News does not a well-informed person make'

That is what we have MN for.

I would love to know how many Mexican vs American blue collar/low skilled workers Trump has employed in his career

I cannot get over how the billionaire son of a multi-millionaire has become a Champion of The People - it's be funny if it was not so potentially dangerous.

claig, most of your contributions to IndyRef/EU ref/US elections are interchangeable posts containing (but not limited to) the phrases OxBridge, The Elite, The People, The Establishment, running scared, Davos etc etc in various combinations. I'm not calling you names, but I do miss a bit of substance. And watching Fox News does not a well-informed person make...

This is why Trump is for the people - he has overturned decades of Wall Street and corporate policy on trade, which is why so many people are voting for him and why Davos and the Financial Times and the Economist are so against his policies.

"Many Republicans are moving closer to Donald Trump's trade platform, breaking with decades of Republican orthodoxy on the issue.

Trump has championed a fierce anti-free trade agenda along the trail. The Republican nominee frequently rips the North American Free Trade Agreement as the worst trade deal in history"

uk.businessinsider.com/republicans-moving-closer-to-trump-on-trade-2016-7

"He's never given a flying fuck for "The People". What on earth makes you think he will start now?"

The same thing that has caused millions of people to vote for him in the primaries and made him defeat the Establishment Republicans - jobs and trade policy as shown in his tweet below:

"The "Rust Belt" was created by politicians like the Clintons who allowed our jobs to be stolen from us by other countries like Mexico. END!"

'you actually just appear quite rude'

And yet my only contribution to the thread is not to call you names.

Thank you AcrossThePond!! Those are not unbiased sources for news; they are rabid right-wing nuts.

Racial tension in the US will escalate horrifically if he wins.

claig your contributions are tedious. Your voice is a simplistic, one-note, domineering, repetitive monologue.
Rather than generously bestowing enlightenment upon us, as you apparently believe, you actually just appear quite rude. A bit like the pub bore but instead of a bar, here you are propping up a thread on Mumsnet.
You seem to have one or two things in common with your hero.
You are mad if you think Trump will get rid of the elite. He is the elite!
He's never given a flying fuck for "The People". What on earth makes you think he will start now?

"I probably know more about Trump than some Americans as I watch the Fox hosts and listen to Rush, Levin, Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, Milo Yiannopoulos, read Breitbart etc etc"

And I rest my case.

'I'd want to make sure I considered all sides of the issues'

I also read the British newspapers like the Telegraph, the Guardian and the Independent, whose journalists are nearly all anti Trump and give a pro Establishment, pro Hillary view as does nearly our entire political class so I get the unfair and unbalanced view of Trump all the time. That is why I prefer to listen to Trump interviews and watch Trump rallies for myself, to get the fair and balanced view.

AcrossthePond55, Yes Rush and Hannity and O'Reilly and Trump advisor Roger Stone etc and Mark Levin even though he was pro Cruz and anti Trump. I don't know Olberman, but have watched some Maddow interviews. I tend to agree with conservatives more than liberals, I think they make more sense in terms of common sense.

'And since I'm not in the UK, I refrain from commenting on UK politics on forums'

Yes, but I am in the UK and this is a UK forum and American politics affects us here in Europe. The war in Syria has led to the refugee crisis that has destabilised some European countries and possibly led to Brexit and all the other ramifications. So what America does affects all of us. If Trump takes over, the entire world will change.

I probably know more about Trump than some Americans as I watch the Fox hosts and listen to Rush, Levin, Laura Ingraham, Ann Coulter, Milo Yiannopoulos, read Breitbart etc etc because of the huge changes that will occur with a Trump victory. The reason the world elites and Davos are so frightened of Trump is due to the fact that their whole world is about to change.

"Laura Ingraham and many other US political commentators" Claig?

'Others' as in Rush, Hannity, and others of that ilk? I assume you also listen to Maddow and Olberman so you get a 'fair and balanced' view of US politics.

After all, if I were to be as interested in UK politics as you appear to be in ours, I'd want to make sure I considered all sides of the issues. And since I'm not in the UK, I refrain from commenting on UK politics on forums as there are usually nuances and cultural feelings that are not apparent to people who don't live in a particular country.

'you sound like a computer bot. It is tedious. '

Don't read it then.

'Try telling us instead why you will vote for Trump and what difference he will make in your life?
'
Of course Trump will make a difference to the entire world, due to his nativist policies which the Economist, Davos and the Financial Times are against, his tearing up of free-trade deals, his support for our Brexit, his likely coolness towards a supranational structure like the EU, his complete foreign policy switch with friendship with Russia which will lessen the risk of war in Europe and the likely populist rebellions which will follow all over Europe in the wake of Brexit and a Trump victory. Trump means the return of common sense across the entire world. As the Daily Telegraph article said

"Donald Trump is giving the over-educated geeks who run the world a sharp lesson in reality"

The geeks will learn a lesson and we will all be free of them across the world.

'And why this should matter to US voters - US voters like me. '

You sound beyond help. I don't care who you vote for. I listen to Laura Ingraham and many other US political commentators who know why Trump is a good thing and are voing for him.

'at least this election really matters to me'

If it didn't matter to me, I wouldn't be interested in it. It matters to everyone in the world which is why the Guaridan has pages on it, just as Brexit mattered to you even though it occurred in Britain.

' I have no expectation this will stop your postings'

Good, then you won't be disappointed.

Now that you have vented, maybe you could let the debate flow again without attacks.

Yes, your attacks are. I have contributed links, articles, quotes and info on Pence and TPP and the real issues that are the battleground between Trump and Clinton and you have contributed next to nothing apart from telling us that you will support the Democrats if Trump gets in.

You post enough links and quotes and repetitive stuff on every single thread about Trump that you sound like a computer bot. It is tedious.

Try telling us instead why you will vote for Trump and what difference he will make in your life?

Oh, you can't because you can't vote in the US.

So instead try telling us why voting for trump will make you safer or richer in whatever spot you live in (did you tell us?). And why this should matter to US voters - US voters like me.

Your posts are tedious. Have been since you started posting. I don't give a shit if you think mine are too but at least I have a vote, at least this election really matters to me, and at least I am prepared to give some personal reasons why I would vote against trump - unlike you who doesn't have a vote and just spouts election-speak crap.

By the way, don't worry. I have no expectation this will stop your postings. I strongly suspect you aren't a real individual anyway.

The only thing Trump cares about is Trump.

Unfortunately a huge number of poorly educated, blue collar Americans are so caught up with his hype that they can't see past his PR machine to realise what they are actually voting for.

Isolationist politics are never positive.