What happens if Trump wins?

More support for our man of the people.

www.floridatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/07/06/kirsten-powers-no-sheriffs-star-mr-trump/86720490/

Kristen Powers? Yes, she thinks Trump is a real man of the people.

www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/columnist/2016/07/19/power-evangelical-white-conservative-republican-trump-column/87257760/

Claig

Why do you type like.. Your posts read like articles? I'm very confused. I don't mean to be rude.

The 'real truth'? Trump is a pathological liar.

Fox was the only network not to cover Pat Smith's speech. Fox criticised the lack of coverage but...

www.mediaite.com/tv/donald-trump-did-live-fox-news-interview-opposite-benghazi-mothers-convention-speech/

Perhaps the lack of coverage is because Hillary didn't seek to criticise Ms Smith for her speech?

Trump is in fact underperforming against almost all polls do far. Underperforming.

I don't have any faith that he won't win but the media has, Farage-style, given him a disproportionate amount of coverage because he gets viewers. He's car crash television. Of all the things you can say, claiming that the media isn't giving him coverage is ludicrous in the extreme.

'Your link is from March. A long time ago in politics.'

The fundamentals have not changed. Trump is branding Hillary as "Crooked" and continuing to be anti-establishment. Those are the things that will bring him victory.

Stone is not a nice guy, he is a 40 year experience Republican operative skilled in dirty tricks. Hillary has those on her side too. What it will come down to is who has the most nerve to go "all in" and tell the real truth. I think it will be Trump because he is a billionaire outsider and doesn't have to play an insider game and no one "owns" him which is why he can insult them all.

Kirsten Powers, a Democratic analyst, on Fox now saying the correct thing that Trump knows what he is doing and all the people saying he has blown it and has no strategy don't understand what he has done and will do.

'but right now far fewer people like him than like Hillary.'

That is due to the relentless media coverage which is stacked against Trump and which gave liitle coverage to what Pat Smith, the mother of a son killed in Benghazi, said about Hillary at the Republican Conference. They are all against Trump but everybody knows that and the only polls that count are those in the swing battleground states (9 or 10), it doesn't matter what the majority of the country think which is why the media will lose. Trump uses social and alternative media, he snubbed and defied Fox, he is bigger than the stooges.

'The person that will destroy Trump is Trump himself. '

That is what the media says and what they said about him during the primaries, but he confounded them them and he will confound them on election day too.

There are likely to be lots more leaks and lots more shocking information to come out yet and Trump will go for the jugular, he is not a "career politician", not a stooge.

Read Stone here, a thoroughly objectionable being. What vile rhetoric.

m.huffpost.com/us/entry/us_57a104c8e4b0e2e15eb7b3f0

Your link is from March. A long time ago in politics.

Not really true. His ratings plummeted during and immediately after his conference. Not to say they won't change, but right now far fewer people like him than like Hillary. 'The people' are not some amorphous mass. The majority of his support comes from blue collar white men - are they 'the people'? The person that will destroy Trump is Trump himself.

I have no problem whatsoever with genuinely anti-establishment figures. I have a problem with lying bigots.

Farage is a joke compared to Trump which is why Farage criticises Trump and doesn't fully back him. Farage hasn't got the courage of Trump. Trump is incredible in his level of courage and his ability to confront the Establishment and the world's political class. They have never had an opponent like Trump and Hillary has never had an opponent like Trump which is why the live debates will make or break her. This election is for real, Trump is "all in", they are all against him, the entire world elite, but I think Trump will end their dreams and schemes and the American people will vote him in.

'Donald Trump will win in a landslide. *The mind behind ‘Dilbert’ explains why.'

www.washingtonpost.com/news/comic-riffs/wp/2016/03/21/donald-trump-will-win-in-a-landslide-the-mind-behind-dilbert-explains-why/

'But Trump is very obviously unstable. He is utterly unable to debate without reacting disproportionately: he cannot accept any criticism, while simultaneously dishing out extreme insults (Hillary the actual devil???). '

Trump definitely has a thin skin and goes on the offence more than most politicians, and most of the Fox hosts keep telling viewers that Trump has "blown it" and "is done", but they are all wrong, just as they were when they said the same things in the primaries. Trump's genius is that he is not like other "career politicians", Trump is a "wrecking ball", and anti Establishment outsider who is tearing up all the rules that the political class play by and communicating directly with the people who have had enough of the stooges. That is why Trump will win, because the more the media, Fox, Obama, the BBC, Davos and the world's political elite attack Trump, the more the people will like him.

'No, I see it as claig promoting any politician who is anti-establishment'

Thanks, SurferJet, that is right, that is why I support Corbyn. I hope he beats the stooges so that he frees our politics of them and allows tru multi-party democracy to flourish where the stooges are not "all in it together" and where the public gets a real choice of different policies from which to choose.

As one of the country's top political commentators, Peter Oborne, says

PETER OBORNE: Lefties loathe him but the truth is Nigel Farage changed history

By my estimate, only three politicians have made a genuine, enduring difference to Britain in the past 50 years.
...
Now, in the aftermath of Brexit, we can add Nigel Farage as a fourth change-maker (to use the buzzword employed this week by Bill Clinton about his wife Hillary).

Farage, who has announced his resignation as the leader of Ukip, has never even been an MP. Yet his political legacy will be far more profound than that of most prime ministers.

I believe future historians will consider him as significant as Roy Jenkins and a bigger figure than Heath."

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3715544/PETER-OBORNE-Lefties-loathe-truth-man-changed-history.html

dogwood I agree. I think that if Eagleton were to be nominated today, his past treatment would be somewhat of a non-issue.

Think also of FDR, who had to hide the fact that he couldn't walk for fear of being deemed 'unfit' to be president. The man who steered our country out of a depression and guided it through WWII. Unfit to serve. Boggles the modern mind.

We have a long way to go in equal treatment for people with disabilities. But we have come a long way from then.

Weird then that pretty much all the jobs in the Trump empire are based outside the US.

Ignorance of world events didn't stop George W storming into the White House. But Trump is very obviously unstable. He is utterly unable to debate without reacting disproportionately: he cannot accept any criticism, while simultaneously dishing out extreme insults (Hillary the actual devil???). It is apparent to the world that this man is not suitable for political office. Yes, Claig, the elite.

I would also say Claig that you do have a running theme of promoting awful politicians

No, I see it as claig promoting any politician who is anti-establishment, nothing wrong with that. Farage will go down in the history books as the politician who took us out of the EU - that's some achievement.

I doubt Trump will be impeached.

'I also agree that the events of the last week have damaged Trump, visibly in the polls, and in his support from his own party.'

I think it is temporary. Trump has been fighting his own party from the beginning and will be doing so until the end. Today he has said he is not ready to endorse Paul Ryan and John McCain in their reelection battles. Paul Ryan maay even lose depending on how many Trump fans exist in his state.

'Trump has shown not one iota of support for 'the people' in his entire lifetime. '

Trump has opposed the free trade deals like NAFTA and TPP and the Iraq War and Mid East wars for years, unlike Establishment Hillary. Hillary has had to change her position on TPP due to Bernie and Trump.

'his enormous Muslim vote is 7% of 15% who identify as Republican, which the writer of the article puts down to name recognition and little more'

Trump is not going to win by depending on the Muslim vote, but he does have more support from Muslims than Romney had.

'but he is appealing to fear and desperation and treading on both to achieve power for his own ends.'

He is appealing to hope 'make America great again' which is why his pro job anti free trade anti Establishment message has resonated with so many Americans to the utter dismay of Davos and the world's political elite.

All his opponents have left is to try to create fear about Trump by saying he is "unfit for office" etc

There's nothing constitutionally to stop a person with any type of illness (physical or mental) from running for president

That's interesting, thank you.
Personally, I don't think a history of any kind of illness should prevent anybody from reaching for the highest office, but being actively unwell seems another matter altogether to me.

dogwood the closest I can remember coming to anything regarding 'mental fitness' was back in '72 when it was 'revealed' that Thomas Eagleton (McGovern's VP pick) had had ECT and been hospitalized three times for depression and stress. There was a national outcry and he ended up withdrawing because of it.

There's nothing constitutionally to stop a person with any type of illness (physical or mental) from running for president. I expect that issue wouldn't have been on our forefather's radar in 1787 as people with a serious illness/disability/mental illness would probably have been somewhat excluded from mainstream society, let alone from the male/power hierarchy.

And pretty much every single bit of bad publicity that man has had has come out of his own mouth. Quite how you can interpret that as liberal lies is beyond me, but you do make sterling efforts to defend these bigots.

Showmethewaytogohome, I don't think you have watched Fox, there are only a few hosts who support Trump, there is huge airtime given to those saying Trump has "blown it" etc

Vox is mainly left wing.

'if he is then maybe Fox will turn against Trumpton Town'

Murdoch hedged his bets, hasn't thrown his full weight behind Trump. Some US commentators are saying that there may be a coup going on in Fox where it will turn more to the centre.

Yes, I like Trump, Farage and Corbyn. I haven't promoted Le Pen.

I know what you say about checks and balances is right. I just shrink in horror at the prospect of a presidential team set on destroying women's rights so openly. I also think the chances of an impeachment are high, leaving us with an untalented, mediocre Tea Party dullard as President.

I also agree that the events of the last week have damaged Trump, visibly in the polls, and in his support from his own party. We can only hope that this continues as he is literally his own worst enemy.

Claig, you are, to put it simply, delusional. Trump has shown not one iota of support for 'the people' in his entire lifetime. His whole (unsuccessful) business career has shown him ready to exploit workers, rip people off and discriminate against African-Americans and any other minorities that offend him. Your links are ludicrous if you actually read them - eg his enormous Muslim vote is 7% of 15% who identify as Republican, which the writer of the article puts down to name recognition and little more. This man has never shown the slightest inclination to public service or standing up for the masses. He is rabble rousing, so feel free to be one of the rabble, but he is appealing to fear and desperation and treading on both to achieve power for his own ends.

I would also say Claig that you do have a running theme of promoting awful politicians

Trump, Farage, Le Pen and the lovely Corbyn

Anyone see a theme?

Oh Claigbot

Fox is pro Trump - as is Vox in the main (the one you have so deftly copied and pasted)

Unless even Murdoch is seeing the light and realises the Trump fascist is out of control even for him - if he is then maybe Fox will turn against Trumpton Town

Fascist is what fascist does I guess