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What happens if Trump wins?

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Soapalert · 31/07/2016 07:28

I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

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Lweji · 03/08/2016 01:08

I have already told you. He is going to sort the Establishment out, end Davos and all the reast's dreams and schemes, expose all their lies and end them all, tear up their free tarde deals, bring jobs back to America, end the pointless wars, smash Isis within weeks, and start populist revolutions that bring common sense back to the entire world as the teams are removed from office in populist election victories.

Yes, and you also said he's a bullshitter. Which is worse than being a liar.
Do you believe any of what you just wrote? Really? From the lying/bullshitter?
How do you reconcile that in your head? Really curious.

claig · 03/08/2016 01:02

'but that definitive truthy speech hasn't yet popped out.'

Be patient. If there is one thing we have learned about Trump, it is that he knows what he is doing.

claig · 03/08/2016 01:01

"Commentary: Are polls underestimating Trump's support?
...
And when we look at Trump's poll numbers versus his actual results in the past few contests, one could make the case that the polls are underestimating his support.

In New York, Trump's RealClearPolitics polling average going into the Republican primary was 53 percent. He eventually won 60 percent of the vote. A week later, he beat his polling average in Pennsylvania by 10 points, his average in Rhode Island by 11 points, his average in Connecticut by 5 points, and his average in Maryland by 9 points. In Indiana on Tuesday, he again beat his average, this time by 11 points.

This isn't unheard of in politics far from it, in fact and may just show undecided voters breaking for Trump at the last minute. At some point the "ceiling" of 35 percent or so that pundits thought would doom had simply fallen apart, and Trump was just reaping the rewards.

But let us for a moment consider a different theory: what if some people just don't like admitting that they support Trump, but then go and pull the lever for him in the privacy of a voting booth?

It's no secret that, in much of the country, confessing that you're a Trump supporter can be a risky proposition. Even the groups backing him admit as much: "Sure, I get some grief when I say I'm voting for Donald Trump," says the star of one pro-Trump super PAC ad. He is, after all, the most divisive presidential candidate in modern times"

www.cbsnews.com/news/commentary-are-polls-underestimating-trumps-support/

'The biggest losses to the electoral roll under voting reforms are minority voters, who are far less likely to vote Trump.'

Let's wait and see, don't believe the mainstream media, just like in Brexit, Cameron and the team failed.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:57

You sound like a satire, Claig. Are you?

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:57

If there's a revelation to be made, then he's had plenty of time to make it since Orlando, which was two months and a convention ago. Since then he's insulted a broad range of people, invited the Russians to hack his opponent, and called Hillary the devil, but that definitive truthy speech hasn't yet popped out.

claig · 03/08/2016 00:56

'Read again what you have just written and come back and tell us why you think Trump is the best for the US.'

I have already told you. He is going to sort the Establishment out, end Davos and all the reast's dreams and schemes, expose all their lies and end them all, tear up their free tarde deals, bring jobs back to America, end the pointless wars, smash Isis within weeks, and start populist revolutions that bring common sense back to the entire world as the teams are removed from office in populist election victories.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:53

A lot of the US polls in the Republican primaries underestimated Trump's support because they were still using phne or fac-to-face rather than online and voters often don't tell polsters the truth that they are voting for Trump for fear of disapproval, just like shy Tories or shy Kippers.

Nope. No proof of this at all. Trump underperformed compared to polls in more primaries than he overperformed, and shy Trump supporters don't seem to be a thing.

fivethirtyeight.com/features/trump-supporters-probably-arent-lying-to-pollsters/

The biggest losses to the electoral roll under voting reforms are minority voters, who are far less likely to vote Trump. His main support is white male voters,

And a bullshitter doesn't even know they are lying? That's a man you want to be President of the United States? Someone who can't tell the difference between truth and a lie? Seriously? I mean, seriously?

claig · 03/08/2016 00:52

'hat was two months ago, and we were told that the bombshell was imminent. We're still waiting.'

Trump said it would be Monday and then over that weekend Orlando happened and that meant that it was not the time to tell it all. If he wants to win, he will tell it all when the time is right.

JudyCoolibar · 03/08/2016 00:50

"Trump promises 'major speech' about the Clintons as he closes out GOP primaries

That was two months ago, and we were told that the bombshell was imminent. We're still waiting.

Lweji · 03/08/2016 00:47

Read again what you have just written and come back and tell us why you think Trump is the best for the US.

claig · 03/08/2016 00:41

'No idea what the difference between a bullshitter and a liar is'

Fascinating article on it, based on a famous philosopher's, Harry Frankfurt, study of bullshit. The philosopher says that bullshit is even more dangerous than lying because a liar knows they are lying while a bullshitter doesn't care about the truth and doesn't even realise that they are bullshitting in many cases.

This is the article in the Etablishment Republican magazine, New Republic, where all the great and the good Republican academics were against Trump and devoted an entire issue of their Establishment magazine to Trump calling it "Against Trump". Trump, as usual, laughed it off, as did the people, by saying that the New Republic is a failing magazine, are they still going? and no one reads it

"Donald Trump Is Not a Liar

He's something worse: a bullshit artist."

newrepublic.com/article/124803/donald-trump-not-liar

Lweji · 03/08/2016 00:38

They know he is a bit like Del Boy, but they liked Del Boy and they like Trump. They have already discounted that Trump is a bullshitter, makes mistakes and cuts corners. They don't care because they know he will sort the Establishment out.

He's like that lovable rogue uncle, who lives off relatives and cons most people.
You may have a great time complaining about the establishment with him, about your straight parents with him, and going out on a bender.
But you really won't want to go to business with him or lend him money, let alone put your livelihood (your country) in his hands.

Lweji · 03/08/2016 00:34

What was that moniker? Lyin' Ted?

What happens if Trump wins?
claig · 03/08/2016 00:33

'The U.K. polls are less sophisticated'

A lot of the US polls in the Republican primaries underestimated Trump's support because they were still using phne or fac-to-face rather than online and voters often don't tell polsters the truth that they are voting for Trump for fear of disapproval, just like shy Tories or shy Kippers.

'People that think they might lose start bleating about a fix in advance.'

No, it is a "Crooked Hillary" strategy aimed at getting that message across and enticing Bernie voters who are angry at the DNC plots against Bernie and who already think that Hillary is crooked. As Scott Adams, Dilbert's creator, says, Trump will win a landslide because of his hypnotic strategy of communicating direct and powerful messages that cut across the media spin and enforce what many people truly think already.

'The voters lost to the electoral roll are unlikely to be Trump voters. '

They were Bernie voters in New York etc, and about 20% of Bernie voters say they will vote for Trump and lots of Bernie voters say theu will not vote for Hillary. Trump also intends to win millions of votes from people who have not voted for years, if ever, just as Brexit won those voters who were immune to Cameron and the team's Establishment spin, fearmongering and dire warnings over Brexit.

'Good on Hillary if she is avoiding Fox. Fox is not a news channel. '

It has the highest viewing figures of any news channel and as we have seen some Republican politicians and stooges will vote for Hillary rather than Trump already. Trump goes on all the left wing media and comedy shows because he has no fear.

'Trump has an enormous amount to hide. Where are his tax returns?'

Yes, but this is minor stuff, nothing sticks on Trump, because Trump fans like him. They know he is a bit like Del Boy, but they liked Del Boy and they like Trump. They have already discounted that Trump is a bullshitter, makes mistakes and cuts corners. They don't care because they know he will sort the Establishment out.

AnnieOnnieMouse · 03/08/2016 00:30

This is what may well happen

#thuginistas

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:30

Tsk. Just Mr Bullshitter, Lweji. The People's Bullshitter.

Lweji · 03/08/2016 00:29

we will have to wait and see.

Do you really think you'll see something from Mr Liar Liar Pants on Fire?

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:28

No idea what the difference between a bullshitter and a liar is. But I'm won over! Trump sounds like a stand up guy. Count me in.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:26

Trump the liar.

www.politicususa.com/2016/03/31/ninety-one-percent-donald-trump-false.html

claig · 03/08/2016 00:22

'Will he actually reveal anything?

Are those shocking truths like exposing China's currency manipulation?'

I think he will reveal them, if he really wants to win the election. It is not Chinese currency manipulation. More likely to be to do with Bill, the Clinton Foundation, Syria, Libya, Muslim Brotherhood, Saudi Arabia etc etc, but we will have to wait and see.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 00:20

Trump is behind in the polls in pretty much every swing state bar North Carolina. Take a look.

projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=mobilebar&v=1#plus

The U.K. polls are less sophisticated. And although they got Brexit wrong, they were within a margin of error. Ten points is simply untrue bar one outlier.

People that think they might lose start bleating about a fix in advance. The voters lost to the electoral roll are unlikely to be Trump voters. Hopefully state by state we might see these unjust voting 'reforms' unpicked. It has already started.

Good on Hillary if she is avoiding Fox. Fox is not a news channel. It deserves no respect. It peddles lies and hate.

Trump has an enormous amount to hide. Where are his tax returns?

Lweji · 03/08/2016 00:15

But when it comes to the hidden big, huge, shocking truths, Trump will be revealing them in the debates or on the stump quite soon, I think. No one else would dare, no stooge would be allowed.

He's certainly been threatening for months now. Will he still use that thread in November 8th? Will he actually reveal anything?

Are those shocking truths like exposing China's currency manipulation?

claig · 03/08/2016 00:07

'The 'real truth'? Trump is a pathological liar.'

He is really a bullshitter rather than a liar. there is a very good article on that. But when it comes to the hidden big, huge, shocking truths, Trump will be revealing them in the debates or on the stump quite soon, I think. No one else would dare, no stooge would be allowed.

claig · 03/08/2016 00:05

'Your posts read like articles?'

Probably because I have read so many articles.

claig · 03/08/2016 00:03

'Perhaps the lack of coverage is because Hillary didn't seek to criticise Ms Smith for her speech?
'
Hillary is subtle about it but her message in interviews is that Pat Smith is mistaken in not having heard what Hillary really said due to her grief. Trump is more direct, but it is Hillary's indirectness that people don't trust about her.

'Trump is in fact underperforming against almost all polls do far. Underperforming. '

I think the polls are possibly rigged just like our polls on the eve of Brexit told us that Cameron and the team were 10 points ahead of Leave voters. Also the polls are generally nationwide, not statewide in the key states. Just as Corbyn will beat the 172 here, despite the media doing backflips to help the 172, I think it will be the people in the key battleground states in the Rust Belt that will get Trump over the line.

Trum is worried about rigging due to the reporst of the DNC plotting against Bernie etc and some voters being taken off the electoral roll etc, but as Trump says, he had to win a landslide in the Republican primaries to stop the Republican stooges stealing it from him then, and he will have to aim for a landslide now too.

'the media has, Farage-style, given him a disproportionate amount of coverage because he gets viewers'

Yes, but they mainly try to knock him, but Trump is not scared of interviews or the media, unlike Hillary who avoids Fox and hasn't givern a press conference where she can be openly questioned for more than 200 days. Trump has nothing to hide, what you see is what you get.

'He's car crash television. Of all the things you can say, claiming that the media isn't giving him coverage is ludicrous in the extreme.'

Yes they are giving him coverage, car crash coverage. What is frightening the world's elite though is that it is not harming Trump, but helping him. As Tony Blair said "I don't understand what is happening in the world". They can't understand Corbyn, they can't understand Brexit and they can't understand ,and fear, Trump.

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