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What happens if Trump wins?

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Soapalert · 31/07/2016 07:28

I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

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Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 02:12

Why not read the article? You claim to read lots of articles. Presumably you post links on here so others can read what you have. So do I.

Corbyn and Trump are nothing alike. I've never seen Corbyn mock a disabled person; never seen him come out with misogynist nonsense; never heard him call someone the devil; never read accounts of him being openly racist.

LauderSyme · 03/08/2016 02:12

claig Please could you put some flesh on the bones of your vision of a glorious Trump presidency and provide some specific details?

The OP's initial question asked us to consider precisely this, but most of your posts have instead analysed the campaign so far and media coverage of it.

What does "sort the Establishment out" mean? How will the Donald do it?

When you say he will "end Davos and all the rest's dreams and schemes, expose all their lies and end them all, tear up their free trade deals" you seem to imply that he will single-handedly dismantle the world economy. How will he do that?

The US president cannot control what sovereign governments, global corporations, wealthy elites and other stakeholders choose to do. He cannot, alone, dictate the world order. If you think he can, please explain how?

Do you think his six bankruptcies resulted from any "dreams and schemes [and] lies" of his own? Have any of The People ever derived any benefit from Donald Trump's billions?

How is a man incapable of discerning his own lies able to expose those of others?

Which "pointless wars" will he end? How will he smash Isis within weeks? Won't he have to start at least one war to do it? Didn't Dubya tell us he had smashed Al Qaeda by starting a war he couldn't finish in Afghanistan? Didn't exactly put a stop to radical Islamic terrorism, did it? So how will Trump achieve it?

How will "a bullshitter who makes mistakes and cuts corners" ... "bring common sense back to the entire world"? What does "common sense" even mean in this context?

I find your posts frustrating because you indulge in hyperbolic rhetoric rather than substantively addressing valid questions. Please could you at least attempt to do so?

claig · 03/08/2016 02:06

'The article I linked to talks about what you hear on the tape.'

What does it say about it? Because from what I remember of it, it is not pleasant to listen to.

claig · 03/08/2016 02:05

'Claig, surely a presidential candidate should be setting out their plans? You are a very trusting individual.'

Three, we are in anti-establishment times, Brexit, where Cameron and the team and all their plans failed to move the people. We don't believe their plans, we don't believe their scares, we don't trust them and their manifestos. We only trust someone who tells the truth about what has been going on, which is why we like Corbyn and Trump.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 02:04

About what, Claig? The rape case? The article I linked to talks about what you hear on the tape.

Trump on the other hand is currently being sued for raping a 13 year old himself.

claig · 03/08/2016 02:02

'Please have a good look at Snopes, newshoes.

Isn't there a tape of Hillary on youtube about it? I seem to remember hearing a tape a few years back on the news.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 02:01

Claig, surely a presidential candidate should be setting out their plans? You are a very trusting individual.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 01:59

Please have a good look at Snopes, newshoes. The majority of stories about Hillary are demonstrably false, including the 47 people.

claig · 03/08/2016 01:57

newshoes68, a lot of it will come out in the next few months. There will be no holds barred with Trump, he will go where others dare not tread.

claig · 03/08/2016 01:55

'Please explain what he will actually do to 'sort the elites out' '

I don't know his exact plans but I do know that the elites aren't happy at the prospect. Trump is changing entire world policy, it s "America First", the end of globalism. It is huge, which is why Davos is miffed. They are praying that Hillary will keep their three card trick going.

“We will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism,” Trump promised during a speech in Washington.

“I am skeptical of international unions that tie us up and bring America down,” he claimed

newshoes68 · 03/08/2016 01:52

Yes the rape case .
Plus lots of other stuff , they are heavily involved with the Rothschild and the rockerfellas.
There's nothing pleasant about them .bill , who I always fancied as a dinner guest has an appalling history of raped and sexual abuse allegations

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 01:51

I think Jeremy Corbyn would be utterly horrified to be compared to a vile human being like Trump.

Please explain what he will actually do to 'sort the elites out' and what he is just bullshitting about, and how you know which is which even though though, by your own reckoning, Trump himself doesn't know truth from lie?

claig · 03/08/2016 01:48

We already know Trump is a bullshitter, so he is not going to do a lot of things he says, but we do know that what he will do is sort the elites out which is why they are all terrified and are all against him. A bit like Corbyn, but on steroids.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 01:46

Judy, Claig doesn't believe that Trump means the things that s/he finds unpalatable, nor that he would do the things he promises to do. I'm not sure what that leaves but it appears to be a way of creating a virtually imaginary candidate who will stick it to The Man.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 01:40

newshoes, this case?

www.snopes.com/hillary-clinton-freed-child-rapist-laughed-about-it/

claig · 03/08/2016 01:37

Judy, that is why people vote for Trump, they believe he will sort them all out, all the teams of whizzkids, the whole lot, and all the crooks who pay for them.

And it is not just the people who believe that, it is also Davos and the entire world's political class which is why they are so terrified.

"Trump terrifies world leaders
...
“They’re scared and they’re trying to understand how real this is,” said one American official in touch with foreign leaders. “They all ask. They follow our politics with excruciating detail. They ask: ‘What is this Trump phenomenon? Can he really win?
...
Now, world leaders cop to being afraid of a Trump presidency, and they’re making preparations: scrambling to get deals done with the Obama administration while they still have the chance.

Leaders, members of their governments, even their aides are so spooked that they don’t want to say anything, and many privately admit that it’s because they think he’ll win, and a quote now could mean a vengeful President Trump going after them personally next year. "

www.politico.com/story/2016/04/trump-terrifies-world-leaders-222233

They have never come across someone like Trump. It's the end of all their dreams, the end of all their schemes.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 01:34

Selective quoting of your own link on polls, Claig. The article points out, just like Nate Silver does, that Trump underperformed in other primaries.

So Trump is, by your own claims, unable to tell truth from lies. You fail to address the many other flaws he has, in favour of endless repetition of some meaningless mantra. You pray in aid the restoration of common sense like Brexit, at a time when the UK government is clearly at a total loss to know how to proceed and the 'Leavers' are in disarray, and this is meant to be the Trump model?

You post selective quotes from articles that fail to substantiate the points you make, and rely heavily on discredited news sources that you seem to place complete faith in.

If you are a representative Trump voter (spiritually, as obviously you can't vote for him) then it explains a lot.

newshoes68 · 03/08/2016 01:31

Clintons are the American maffia - 47 friends and colleagues dead or committed suicide.
The list is endless .... Hilary is evil - was reading today about a legal case she was forced to work on , a few years back , before she was Mrs Clinton , where a 12 yr old got raoed . The court transcript from Hilary is shocking !!

JudyCoolibar · 03/08/2016 01:26

Trump said it would be Monday and then over that weekend Orlando happened and that meant that it was not the time to tell it all. If he wants to win, he will tell it all when the time is right.

Nonsense. Orlando hasn't stopped him coming out with all sorts of offensive bullshit, not least that charmless effort with the Muslim soldier. It it was anything near as earthshaking and important as he claimed, he would have produced it. The truth is that he never had anything.

How does anyone "now he will sort the Esatblishment out, remove the teams of losers and restore common sense"? Has he ever said how he would actually achieve all that he claims he will do? You can't just go round claiming that wonders will happen just because someone shouts loudly that he's going to make them happen.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 01:25

Really? Why?

claig · 03/08/2016 01:24

'If trump wins .... The clintons are off to jail'

And a whole lot more people too, probably. That is why the Republican elite would prefer Trump to lose, because some of them may be going too.

newshoes68 · 03/08/2016 01:22

If trump wins .... The clintons are off to jail

JudyCoolibar · 03/08/2016 01:18

Very revealing list - www.filmsforaction.org/articles/a-final-response-to-tell-me-why-trump-is-a-fascist/

claig · 03/08/2016 01:11

'From the lying/bullshitter?
How do you reconcile that in your head? Really curious.'

I don't care and nor do Trump voters because we all know he will sort the Esatblishment out, remove the teams of losers and restore common sense, just like Brexit has already done.

Lweji · 03/08/2016 01:09

If there is one thing we have learned about Trump, it is that he knows what he is doing.

Are you kidding? He hardly knows what he's saying, let alone doing...

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