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What happens if Trump wins?

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Soapalert · 31/07/2016 07:28

I know the comments Trump has made about blocking Muslims from the USA, and building a wall between the states and Mexico. But what will the world look like if he becomes president? People seem to be afraid of his success and suggest we 'should push the button now' or that he will be assassinated. Surely he comments are to stir up media interest?

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newshoes68 · 03/08/2016 10:44

Claig- the general public have not got a clue - I'm guessing you now someone military too. As you seemed to be on the same vibe as me.
General public read the mail and the sun .
Not NRT or RT news websites !!

Lweji · 03/08/2016 10:42

He doesn't even know about his own made up in the moment policies.

Lweji · 03/08/2016 10:41

Trump will be revealing lots of it and it will be shocking

I'll only be shocked if he ends up revealing anything.

It doesn't look like it's going to happen in his lifetime.

He hardly knows anything about what we all know, let alone what we don't know.

claig · 03/08/2016 10:38

'Military Times survey: Troops prefer Trump to Clinton by a huge margin'

www.militarytimes.com/story/military/election/2016/05/09/military-times-survey-donald-trump-beats-hillary-clinton/84132402/

newshoes is right. the people in the know know what is going on. Puppets are protected because they work for lobbyists and bankers, but what really goes on goes way beyond what we have any clue about. Trump knows it because he has been told because he knows the high level sources. Trump intends to sort it out. Trump will be revealing lots of it and it will be shocking.

Lweji · 03/08/2016 10:37

When you see your platoon shot down or blown up , unesscessily this make you realise we r all just puppets.

I did say something we don't already know.
Was it any different under W? Who actually sent the army to Afghanistan and Iraq? Do your army friends love him?

Do you really think Trump would be any different?
Or maybe he'd put the army chasing illegal immigrants instead, or monitoring muslim citizens' activities.
Or still send them to the Middle East, just as long as he'd be able to profit from stealing their oil.

SwedishEdith · 03/08/2016 10:36

I have friends in US military, who is high up and who did train Apache pilots- he now works in DC - the things he has seen that are not available to the public are truly shocking

And they tell you? Hmm

This is the same argument/"logic" I saw on here before the referendum - I hate Cameron so I'm voting Leave even though I don't want to.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 10:34

Most of the rubbish about Hillary can be fact checked to be wrong. Successive independent investigations over years and years have found pretty much nothing of substance on her. There are endless ranting blogs repeating the same old rumours that were proven false years ago, distortions on reality that is far less exciting. All these references to exposing awful, awful things never seem to come to fruition. It's being left very late, isn't it? I realise I'm talking to a wall, but absolutely the irony of being told not to believe what I read in the press...

Trump on the other hand pretty much compulsively lies, constantly. He incites hatred and violence, openly. His team have suggested that he can only lose through a rigged election, and that civil unrest is justified should Clinton win. Dangerous, reckless talk.

newshoes68 · 03/08/2016 10:32

When you see your platoon shot down or blown up , unesscessily this make you realise we r all just puppets.

newshoes68 · 03/08/2016 10:25

Go on a USA military pages is a good start .
See if you can befriend someone who has worked for the USA military .
They will tell you nothing as its all top secret. .... Then ask them about their own experience of 20 yrs in the army , under Clinton regime.
You might hear bullshit you might hear the truth . You make your own mind up.

newshoes68 · 03/08/2016 10:20

Ask an American what they think - I have guest over from the states at the moment - none of them have a good word to say about the clintons. And they all Hate Obama - not my words .
None of us are privee to top secret stuff but if you do enough research , read enough blog and interact on some of the USA websites you really do get a different taste to what's going on .
There is far to much stuff out there to even start and this is years and years of basic interest in politics and society .

Lweji · 03/08/2016 10:16

And what kind of things have/has these/this friends/friend seen?
Any hints? Any directly related to Hillary? Any that we aren't aware from the press that the US do?
Just a hint.

Lweji · 03/08/2016 10:13

Research - read the facts and make your own mind up about stuff - majority of stuff in the papers is bullocks .

Where are these "facts", then?

If they are from the same "sources" as claig likes to quote, or creationists use, or MMR sceptics, then I'd rather read the Daily Fail.

newshoes68 · 03/08/2016 10:08

Research - read the facts and make your own mind up about stuff - majority of stuff in the papers is bullocks .
Believe what you want. - now there's the irony!

JudyCoolibar · 03/08/2016 09:57

The irony of newshoes asking others not to believe what they read in the press is extraordinary. Is there any chance of you at least acknowledging that that stuff about the rape case is a load of rubbish?

newshoes68 · 03/08/2016 09:25

Threesounds - please don't believe everything in the press .
Hillary is seriously corrupt . There is serious shit that will come out about this couple. I have friends in US military, who is high up and who did train Apache pilots- he now works in DC - the things he has seen that are not available to the public are truly shocking . Every time someone tries to expose the corruptness they disappear.

Lweji · 03/08/2016 08:31

nearly all of us are sick of the Establishment "losers" and cronies, so we all have that in common

If only Trump wasn't Establishment himself, or a bigot, or a misogynist, or incited to violence, or spoke out of his arse.

Stalin was great at being anti-establishment too. For a while.
So were many dictators and genocidal maniacs.

Pick your anti-establishment fighters carefully or you'll be stung and responsible for the misery of many.

PacificDogwod · 03/08/2016 07:58

I have no problem whatsoever with genuinely anti-establishment figures. I have a problem with lying bigots.

That.

Thanks for the TrumpLiesWiki Shock

I am no Clinton lover, but compared to Trump? Hilary looks like Mother Theresa.

LauderSyme · 03/08/2016 03:09

I too would like to see a world revolution bringing about the manumission and empowerment of "the people" but I think my methods would be very different to yours!

claig · 03/08/2016 03:03

Thanks, but I am just one Trump supporter, others will think differently, but nearly all of us are sick of the Establishment "losers" and cronies, so we all have that in common.

There are lots of good articles in Politico and the Daily Beast interviewing Trump supporters at his rallies.

Good night.

LauderSyme · 03/08/2016 03:01

Thank you for assiduously answering my questions claig, I am genuinely interested in getting an insight into the thinking of a Trump supporter.

claig · 03/08/2016 02:58

'One more question for you claig...

Why are you so personally (over)-invested in Donald Trump's victory?'

Because I am sick of the losers in our Establishment who have implemented non-common sense policies, which is why I switched from Conservative to UKIP, and the only way the entire world will change and we will be free of useless policies is if Trump wins and sets off a chain reaction of common sense. That is why Trump is so important and why Davos is so scared of him.

'I wish to God I could confidently predict that he will lose but I am fearful he won't.'

The whole world is changing as we saw with Brexit. The reason is that the people have had enough of the useless policies of the losers and now the losers have lost and are being sacked. It looks like Trump will continue the trend. It is not in anyone's control what happens, just as the entire Establishment couldn't prevent Brexit, because it is all about the will of the people and that has changed dramatically over the past 4 years or so because they are fed of what Trump calls the "losers" who are doing stupid things.

LauderSyme · 03/08/2016 02:53

One more question for you claig...

Why are you so personally (over)-invested in Donald Trump's victory?

I wish to God I could confidently predict that he will lose but I am fearful he won't. To paraphrase H. L. Mencken, "No one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American people". He also wrote, "Democracy is the theory that the common people know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard".

Not that I am a champion of Mencken; he also wrote a lot of disgustingly reprehensible bilge, but these two quotes do seem sadly apposite for the 2016 Presidential race.

claig · 03/08/2016 02:37

'claig Please could you put some flesh on the bones of your vision of a glorious Trump presidency and provide some specific details? '

I said it at the beginning of teh thread. Trump is ending globalism, he is ending the control of the United States by the globalists and bankers. He is taking America back off them, scrapping the free trade deals that have gutted American industry and destroyed millions of well-paid jobs in Detroit and Michigan and elsewhere. He is restoring the American Dream where the working and middle class can thrive again. he is lowering taxes, rebuilding America's infrastructure and ending the trillions spent on wars abroad which suit the globalists and bankers and which America never wins but ends up paying for. He is putting the American people ahead of global corporations and banks. he is going to take a wrecking ball to K Street and the corrupt politicians who work for lobbyists. Some political crooks will likely be going to jail for what they have done. He is ending the cronyism and putting the American nation and people first

'“I am skeptical of international unions that tie us up and bring America down,” he claimed'

That is the whole reason he decided to stand for office. he doesn't need the abuse and the lies against him by the world's elites and their "bought and paid for" cronies, but he has done it because no one else has the courage to sort them out.

'What does "sort the Establishment out" mean? How will the Donald do it? '

He wil open up investigations, he will open up the 28 redacted pages of the 911 report, he knows all the business people and he knows all their tricks, he will get to the bottom of what happened in Syria and Libya and who profited etc. Some people will have to answer for what they did.

'When you say he will "end Davos and all the rest's dreams and schemes, expose all their lies and end them all, tear up their free trade deals" you seem to imply that he will single-handedly dismantle the world economy. How will he do that? '

Farage said the Euro elections were an "earthquake" and that Brexit was an "earthquake", but compared to a Trump Presidency, these things are just tremors. The entire world 's political class, the cronies and the servants, are terrified of a Trump Presidency because America is the stringest country on earth and if America withdraws support for their policies, it is all over for the lot of them, because it will set off a chain reaction where the cronies will be voted out of office all over the world. Brexit caused huge changes in our political system, with big faces who used to lecture us now gone. A trump Presidency will do that in spades across the planet.

'The US president cannot control what sovereign governments, global corporations, wealthy elites and other stakeholders choose to do. He cannot, alone, dictate the world order. If you think he can, please explain how?'

Without American support, the world order collapses. You can say bye bye to the EU if America doesn't support it. We don't know what Trump will do, but he is lukewarm towards it and was for Brexit. The US will favour countries that go along with its new Trumpian policies, those that don't will be left behind and their cronies will probably be voted out if they are left behind.

'Do you think his six bankruptcies resulted from any "dreams and schemes [and] lies" of his own? Have any of The People ever derived any benefit from Donald Trump's billions?'

Those businesses went bankrupt due to the mismanagement of the economy by the teams and the bankers who forced interest rates up and made the debt unserviceable. Some businesses fail, that is part of business, and they are restructured and survive to pay debt back when interest rates fall again. Trump has given employment to tens of thousands of people.

'How is a man incapable of discerning his own lies able to expose those of others?'

It is not that Trump is incapable, it is that he doesn't care because he considers them smallfry, but the big lies and mistakes is what he wants to expose and remove and is why he is running for President.

'Which "pointless wars" will he end? '

Interventions like Libya or backing of Jihadis in Syria etc. The trillions wasted in Iraq, he won't do that type of thing.

' How will he smash Isis within weeks? '

By seriously fighting them in alliance with Putin and NATO. They will be wiped out in weeks. Trump will bomb their oil facilities irrespective of the "environmental impact" which was one reason the Obama team gave for not doing so.

'Didn't Dubya tell us he had smashed Al Qaeda by starting a war he couldn't finish in Afghanistan? Didn't exactly put a stop to radical Islamic terrorism, did it? So how will Trump achieve it?'

Trump has top military advisers like Lt Col Michael Flynn who know what is really going on. Trump knows what is really going on. He will end it very quickly.

'How will "a bullshitter who makes mistakes and cuts corners" ... "bring common sense back to the entire world"? What does "common sense" even mean in this context?'

Because they are mutually exclusive. Common sense means policies the inverse of the ones made by Cameron and the team etc.

'I find your posts frustrating because you indulge in hyperbolic rhetoric rather than substantively addressing valid questions.'

I always try to answer every question, but it is not possible to give substantive policy because even Trump doesn't yet know. But that is not what matters because you can't believe the policy of the Remainers who are now out of office. What matters is intent and Trump has it, so as and when he is in office, he will gather the right people to sort things out.

Lweji · 03/08/2016 02:18

How will he smash Isis within weeks?

IIRC he'll put Putin to it and leave regional countries to sort it out.
Or call them names.

Threesoundslikealot · 03/08/2016 02:14

And everything Lauder says. Please tell us.

Although you can't. Because it's all completely untrue. Trump is bluster and hate and nothing more.

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