What happens if Trump wins?

Roger Stone said today that Hillary's team "know what is coming and it is devastating". I think he is referring to the Assange wikileaks stuff yet to come out, which is already across youtube but which a lot of the mainstream and Establishment media are not yet reporting.

Stone says it is all a media spin operation by the Establishment, who are of course desperate as usual, about Trump having to stand down etc. Stone says

"Trump is going nowhere, apart from the White House".

World leaders and Davos are desperate. It's all over.

Ah found the comment.
Some idiot saying Trump is speaking his mind, so he's using the first amendment, so he's patriotic. It beggars belief. But it explains a lot.

What article are you reading, Pacific?

Three I'm sure you're right. Wishful thinking.

Pacific That kind of bullshit is rife here today. It's like little boys comparing the size of their dicks or something. More flags means you're more patriotic, less flags and you're a commie bastard! And God forbid that any politician be caught in public without their little flag pin!!! Seems to me that Obama was raked over the coals for that at some point and even he caved and started wearing one.

The mind boggles, indeed.

Are the commentators on that National Review piece arguing over how many/whether there were flags at the respective conventions?
Flags?
There are no bigger issues than the waving of flags or what their presence or absence appears to indicate?
The mind truly boggles.

I think that's wish fulfilment on their part to be honest. The GOP would LOVE to replace Trump with Paul Ryan. They've never wanted Trump. Goodness only knows what a good old hack of the RNC emails would find! But it's very unlikely that they can, certainly against Trump's wishes, and he has too much popular support among Republican voters right now to risk that.

Storm there are very vague rumours starting to go round that the GOP wants to replace Trump with Paul Ryan. Whether that can actually be done or not I don't know. Even The Donald's campaign manager made a 'slip of the lip' shown on the news this morning about backing Ryan for POTUS (when he should have said Speaker of the House).

Good point.

The main issue in carrying the White House is the Supreme Court. There is the current nominee who is being effectively blocked by stalling, and three other judges (I think) over 80. Whoever wins this year can dictate which direction the Court goes in for perhaps 20 years, particularly with eight years in power. Social conservatives are horrified by that.

I hope you're right.

Latest. There's an option for the republicans to repudiate Trump.

And National Review is a right wing (reputably so) site.

I think he stands the best chance of winning if there genuinely is something on Hillary bigger than the unsurprising news that the Democrats wanted her over Sanders. The email thing is still being examined but all evidence so far points to it being a big error of judgement rather than anything more sinister so, regardless of the spin the Trump campaign puts on it, the public have already heard it all and made up their minds, and polling already accounts for it.

But Trump also needs to shut up, and he just can't. The debates must be terrifying his team. He's already making noises that suggest he will try to get out of them, but that would be a disaster in itself. So he ideally needs a combination of Hillary disaster AND capitalising on it successfully AND staying out of trouble.

Hillary needs to stay on top of his mishaps, make the most of all of them, and debate the hell out of him. Presumably she knows if she has anything else to fear from leaks.

The Republican convention seems to have backfired on him.
He got a boost, but dipped immediately after.

www.nationalreview.com/corner/438612/donald-trump-republican-convention-was-failure

15% of people reported being less likely to vote for him. Unheard of.

But...

That baby thing is just…. bizarre in the extreme

"People don't understand" - what? What is it that people don't understand in the context of babies crying and bothering or not a speaker?? Truly, does he know what he means?

Interesting links, thanks.

Yes, I think he can win. And I think some people will think that they have then stuck it to Da Man or something, just before American society turns really really nasty

We agree, Edith!

Interesting article on that famous military support for Trump. In a notoriously Republican group of voters, he's trailing both McCain and Romney at this stage of the campaign.

www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-08-04/trump-veterans-in-jeopardy

538 polling has shown him plummeting in the last week. An interesting discussion on there about whether Trump's tactics worked so well in the party primaries but are now almost immediately disastrous for him in the full blown race where it's all got serious.

Big worries today for example at how much he can trusted with the intelligence briefing both candidates will get. He gave a speech about seeing footage of money arriving in Iran that was either completely fictitious or an account of classified material. Both are possible, but the latter option is scaring people.

Sadly I think he'll win. And a lot of people will regret it. It's like Brexit all over again.

I just cannot fathom why people have joy in the idea - if they think that society is bad now just wait until the shit really hits the fan.

elections are won on the day

I think the democrats (& probably most of the republicans) are hoping he will have hung himself by then. If the last couple of days are anything to go by any way! Give a man enough rope and all that.

Agree three that he wants to win. That's what I mean, really. But the actual job will bore him.

Yes, he can win.
Polls have been up and down and he could be lucky enough to get through in one of those few times Clinton is down.
She will need to get clever and not let him get away with it in the run up to the election.
I wonder, though, if she's saving the coup de grace for the last few weeks/days. Elections are won on the day, not months in advance. Fingers crossed.

Michael Moore explains how very easily Trump can win.

michaelmoore.com/trumpwillwin/

Edith, I think he actually DOES want the job. He just has no idea what the job involves. A rational Trump wouldn't want it but Trump is not rational. That's why he will not be standing down as candidate, whatever happens.

This is quite interesting.

www.nytimes.com/2016/08/01/opinion/how-the-stupid-party-created-donald-trump.html

He's doing a great job of trying to alienate everyone

He doesn't want the job. He's doing a Farage - create a load of discontent and hate and then bugger off when it comes to the detail.

Well, yes, he got the GOP nomination and there is a real danger of him being elected. It's clear he's got a strong support, even though he's nuts.

There are plenty of Republicans who are appalled by him.

Most democrats - women, African-Americans and other ethic minorities, especially - don't want a bar of him.

I just can't see him getting in, even if there are plenty of Republicans blind/vile enough to support him.