What happens if Trump wins?

I have nothing better to do but watch ds in the pool. I can't even go in due to my heavy period (not a successful attempt yesterday)
At least I'm enjoying my holidays before armageddon.

Claig I ma not agree with you, but you definitely are polite. And passionate!

Well, I hope I have been giving you the same curtesy.

Special, you've got your brain switched on

Lweji

Claig are you a woman? I'm so sorry I thought you were a man!

I am often piled upon, but I am never rude to other posters and try to answer every point.

Isn't' it interesting how a number of us are trying to debate with one poster who a. I am quite sure will not change their mind (which is fair enough, I won't change mine either) and b. does not actually engage with meaningful argument as if it mattered?
Many of us here won't be able to vote in this election (I think including claig).

And as an aside, why do I usually picture claig as a man?
I really don't know - I suppose I miss an empathic side or something.

I hope this does not sound horrid, it's not meant to be. And I am quite sure if you felt piled upon you'd let us know?

Anyway, I may have to engage with RL.

SpecialAgentFreyPie
you don't sound stupid at all.

'Claig Sorry if I sound stupid, but he's not liberal, he's Republican?'

That's not what the Republican Establishment think. They say he is not a Republican, Jeb Bush was almost in tears as Trum was thrashing him despite his Establishment millions of dollars backing when he said "he's taken over my party".

'The many ways in which Donald Trump was once a liberal’s liberal'

www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/07/09/ths-many-ways-in-which-donald-trump-was-once-a-liberals-liberal/

Lots of people thought and still think that Trump works for Hillary and will deliberately lose, but they don't understand Trump, this is real which is why Davos is in pieces.

'So how do we know what he is saying to scare/shock/get votes/etc versus 'I really mean and really WILL do that?''

We don't. We have to take it on trust, or vote for Hillary otherwise, just as we have to trust Cameron or Corbyn etc. There are no guarantees. We have to make a judgement if Trump is for real and if Davos is terrified of him.

And, btw, I'm not worried about how he'll fight the elites and stick for the people.
Quite the opposite. I'm convinced he'll give them two fingers and royally fuck it up for the people you care so much about. Like he's done all his life. There's a clue in past behaviour.

You kind of missed the bit where you're supposed to think he can grasp the issues.
He may be street smart, but he's been showing he's not higher level smart. At all.

Trump was given an enormous sum of money by his father. Had he put that in a decent savings vehicle, he would now have more money than he currently does. The only reason he is not bankrupt multiple times over is injections of public money, over and over again.

Hillary Clinton has made money more successfully, but obviously when she does it it's a bad thing and she becomes one of the elite.

Claig, can you honestly say that if you were an African American (a group in which Trump polls a maximum of 2% support) you would feel that a man who accepts the support of the KKK was going to make your life better?

If you were an American woman, would you feel that a man who derides professional woman on the basis of their looks, who uses casual misogynism constantly, who uses your reproductive rights as a bargaining chip, would you feel that he would make your life better?

As a Mexican American, would you feel that a man who is going to build a wall to keep 'more of you' out, would represent your interests?

None of these people are elite. Far from it. They are unquestionably the People though.

Claig Sorry if I sound stupid, but he's not liberal, he's Republican?

But he said the stuff about Roe v Wade?

You said he's a bullshitter, yes? (please bear with me, I'm new to well, intelligent conversation! ) So how do we know what he is saying to scare/shock/get votes/etc versus 'I really mean and really WILL do that?'

Honestly I just want to get to November 9th so it's all over! I could never handle the stress of being a politician haha.

'How does him 'having the elite's number' and 'knowing the game' make him likely to look after the interests of the people?'

Because the whole reasn that there are anti-establishment movements all over the world and that Brexit succeeded in the face of the united might of the international establishment and its cronies, is that people know that they have been conned by the elite. Trump says it openly and that is why people support him. Trump intends to "clean house" and that is what the people want and what the elite fear.

'Kinda OT but is Trump really planning to toss out Roe v Wade?! '

No, because Trump is a liberal. As an evangelical pastor said, the evangelicals have backed Trump not because he is "religiously correct", but because he is not "politically correct". Everybody knows that and the evangelicals don't care, only the Establishment ones have kicked up a fuss as the Establishment tries to bring Trump down.

'My point is, Claig, I'm not an 'elite' and I'm afraid of Trump.'

Yes, because of the Establishment media coverage. That is how the whizzkids from Oxbridge and Harvard work, those are the tricks they use, that is all they have got, but it doesn't foll the Corbynistas and it certainly doesn't fool the Trumpites.

'Do you think I'm the only one? Truly? Because I don't.'

No, the Establisjment and its media have frightened many people about Trump, just as they tried their utmost t frighten people about Brexit, but in the end, they won't be able to fool enough of them, just as they didn't over Brexit. They have nothing left.

How does him 'having the elite's number' and 'knowing the game' make him likely to look after the interests of the people?
There is no cause and effect or logic here, claig.

Kinda OT but is Trump really planning to toss out Roe v Wade?!

I had an anxiety attack before. I was thinking about Trump having nuclear weapons and I got so worked up I started thinking because he's insane he'll blow us all up. (Yes, I know, but it was a panic attack)

My point is, Claig, I'm not an 'elite' and I'm afraid of Trump.

Do you think I'm the only one? Truly? Because I don't.

' the way he's conned people, do you REALLY think he'll act for the people in office?'

Yes, because he has got the elite's number (which is why they are all so scared of him), he knows how the game works, he knows what they do, and he is going to end the game.

'You don't think he won't just make sure his own financial interests will be covered? '

No, because Trump is not a "career politician" on the make, "bought and paid for" and "owned". He is a billionaire, he doesn't need his own charidee to make money. He frightens them because they can't control him, he says whatever he feels like and they can't stop him. He is their worst nightmare, they have met their match.

"You really think that he will have a good enough grasp or humility to take advice on the implications of any international or national actions?"

Humility is not something Trump has, he is street smart and has common sense unlike the geeks and puppets.

"Donald Trump is giving the over-educated geeks who run the world a sharp lesson in reality

The establishment has thrown everything at Donald Trump and failed. Again and again, he brushes off their insults and indignation and bags a few more million votes. But unlike everyone else in the media, I see Mr Trump’s decisive victory in Indiana as a really hopeful sign for democracy in the West.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/06/donald-trump-is-giving-the-over-educated-geeks-who-run-the-world/

They need a whole lot more than geeks from Oxbridge and Harvard to stop Trump. The game's up. Common sense is returning.

'You are convinced he won't play recklessly with the economy like he's played with his investments? '

Trump never plays safe, as we have seen in this election. He breaks all their rules, insults the lot of them, defies and snubs Fox, tweets about the "puppets" etc. He takes risks, but that is what will turn America around. He is ending their game.

“We will no longer surrender this country or its people to the false song of globalism,” Trump promised during a speech in Washington."

Davos is in pieces.

It has already been pointed out that there could be two reasons why people in power are worried about Trump. One because he's a threat to them, the second because he's a threat to the US (and the world).

To keep saying they are worried and using this to justify how he's god's gift to humanity is either really foolish or thinking the other people (readers) are fools.

Yes, we all agree that many people are worried. But not particularly for the reasons you claim. Or Trump.

"The Specter of Donald Trump Is Haunting Davos

If Donald Trump as president of the United States is the ghost that’s stalking Davos, many among the global elite hope he’ll be banished by spring. Others see that as wishful thinking."

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/trump-fear-stalks-davos-as-elite-pray-for-spring-reality-check

The media is doing everything they can to try and stop Trump for the sake of their bosses, but it's too late, the people will vote him in and then it will be all over for their schemes and dreams.

Seriously, the way Trump conducts himself in business, the way he's conned people, do you REALLY think he'll act for the people in office? Do you really think he won't cover up as much or worse things in office? You don't think he won't just make sure his own financial interests will be covered? You really think that he will have a good enough grasp or humility to take advice on the implications of any international or national actions? You are convinced he won't play recklessly with the economy like he's played with his investments?
Really?

"the minor things^

Yes, the end is nigh, there, there.
Repeating it does not make it any more convincing, claig

'But, you're not that dumb claig, so why don't you care?'

Because like millions and millions of people (who in the end will vote Trump in , in my opinion) I think that the minor things that Trump may have done or said are as nothing compared to what has been covered up by the Establishment and what they have done.

Trump is ending it all, Davos is terrified, it's all coming to an end.

Probably the usual Establishment tricks, but even if it is true, it won't help the Establishment. No one cares,

I get why people who don't think too much and have already made up their mind don't care - much like Farage supporters. Totally switched off from criticism or analysis. But, you're not that dumb claig, so why don't you care?

Hypocrisy could easily be his nickname.

Hillary should just keep asking the question with a knowing smile and leave it in the open.
But she has a field to pick from in return when he accuses her of something.

Trump was relentless in his racist bids for Obama to release his birth certificate, because he'd show it if 'he had nothing to hide' etc etc

The irony/hypocrisy is just breathtaking.