Angela Eagle's broken "office window" is actually on the communal hallway...

The feelings of betrayal are mainly within the CLP. I'm not too far from her constituency and I know a few people in her constituency who, if pressed on what they think (not by me!), quite like her and don't care that she stood against Corbyn. Most think Corbyn should stand down. Not a proper representative sample of course, but reasonably representative of people outside our echo chamber.

Ms Eagle cannot hold surgeries because of threats, threats which the police have confirmed. Several MPs are being intimidated by a certain group, mainly new members and supporters, of CLP meeting attendees. That is what is unacceptable and should not be tolerated. We do not elect MPs to be part of a hive mind, at least not beyond their party affiliation - indeed, Corbyn himself has never supported his leaders - we need them to think independently and in the best interests of their constituents, whether Labour voters, Tories, Kippers or can't-be-arsed-getting-out-of-bed-on-polling-dayers. Momentum and many, many Corbynites threaten this true democracy by their attitudes.

No, I'm simply a person who refuses to tolerate lies which result in the effective silencing of peaceful party members.

If you think that I should be barred from making such an assertion lest I sound 'militant', then please be assured that I will be respectfully disagreeing with you.

This shall not be tolerated.

You sound a bit like the politburo there. Or Militant.

Labour will never be in government again thanks to Corbyn and his acolytes.

A sad end to a fine party, but deserved.

So I joined the Labour Party after the last General Election. I voted for JC for leader because his views tallied with mine.

The vast majority of people I see at Momentum meetings are under 40 - so claiming they are Militant in disguise is bobbins. But there are clearly (I live in Liverpool by the way) some members of Militant who have joined Momentum - I had an email the other day from someone calling the MPs who voted for the welfare bill "scabs".

I haven't come across anyone who has been violent, aggressive, or calling for actions that are criminal. I have come across some people who decided a position about 10+ years ago and are incapable of reason or considering alternative points of view.

The headlines should have read "Window broken in Wallasey. In other news, Pope seen in funny hat, bear seen entering woods with bog roll".

Momentum=Militant for those who remember the 70s

You would have to be 50+ to remember the 70's and early 80's as anything other than a child.

Lack of memory of militant is probably playing in JC's favour

(MPs have an average age of 50 and are probably more inclined to remember).

Whether or not there is bias against Corbyn, if he can't even get the Guardian and the Mirror to support him, Labour needs a different leader.

When he was elected, many people were prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt - none of the other candidates looked electable and atleast he appeared to stick to his principles.

However, the longer he has been leader, the less clear those 'principles' seem. He is anti trident and was against the Iraq war, but his opinions on the IRA and Israel seem to be ones that can only be shared by people who enjoy the luxury of not having to engage in any practical peace process.

JC is an easy target, but if he is an easy target it is because many of the negative things said about him are true.

Why choose an easy target to be leader of the opposition, never mind PM?

News flash. British media biased against the left.

birds that's hardly in context with the reply I was making to a comment saying people only say the media is biased about Corbyn because they don't agree with it. But you know that. And that study isn't about the usual bias of right-wing media, is about bias above and beyond what would be sustainable for a functioning democracy. But you make of it whatever you like if you don't want to read it.

Note: I'm not defending anything specific on this thread, just making that one point about media objectivity on the back of that comment because I knew it to be invalid.

I've been on MN for years. Stalwart Labour supporter, with a (regretted) Lib Dem toe-in-the-water after Iraq.

This thread, started by you, OP, has just made me realise why I can't ever back Corbyn.

Sanity and birds have said so much so well. Listen.

News flash. British media biased against the left. Is that a surprise to Corbyn. If he can't handle a right wing media, he is not fit to run the Labour party.

The London School of Economics and POLITICAL Science, my apologies.

I also love the way the media is biased just because someone doesn't agree with what is being said.

tilder there was actually an independent study conducted by the London School of Economics and Science showing strong media bias against Corbyn. You can read it here It has actually been (quietly) reported in the mainstream media since.

Pretty sure it's not the same people Unexpected - most of Momentum wouldn't even have been born back in Militant's day!

Momentum=Militant for those who remember the 70s.

Same people, different name.

Also. That momentum are trying to get Alan Johnson deselected. Alan Johnson. You know the man who was raised by a single mother, worked as a postman, union official - decent solid Labour. So angry with this student politics which is handing power to the conservatives for the next 100 years.

I want a Labour government next time. Corbyn and his acolytes seem hell bent on making sure that doesn't happen.

Do you also deny that currently no Labour constituency branches are allowed to meet due to the issues around intimidation. They are not allowed to meet. What a brilliant job he is doing.

You do realise that in the early 1930s, in Germany, the socialist party and the communist party spent all their energy fighting each other, instead of addressing the rise of the far right?

We currently have a Tory party that has suddenly lurched to the right, and Arron Banks looking to start a new party, because UKIP isn't far enough to the right for him, and the Labour Party is too busy fighting amongst themselves to do anything about it.

Corbyn may be a good man with high ideals, but he is not a political leader. He is not undertaking the duties necessary to be an effective leader of the opposition. He is allowing the House of Lords to undertake the work of the opposition, and is claiming credit for it.

His goal appears to be to remain the leader of the Labour Party, and the fact that that means he is also leader of the opposition seems to be incidental to that.

He is not popular amongst the electorate, and he is not competent to run an opposition to the government. He does not effectively communicate with his shadow cabinet to allow them to do their jobs. He needs to stop clinging to leadership. The people he says he wants to help will not be helped by Theresa Mays government being given their head to effect any changes they like, unopposed.

Peter Hitchens? Well, he's such an impartial observer, isn't he?

Do we know she wasn't abused at the CLP meeting? And yes, the police didn't tell her to cancel her surgeries but they certainly did advise it - is there really much difference when you have received death threats and are also worried for the safety of your staff? It is rather coincidental that there was an attack on her office building as well just after she announced that she would challenge Corbyn. A little too coincidental really. I don't see any reason to doubt her and if anyone has actual evidence that she is lying they should contact the police.