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Well done Labour NEC - Corbyn can stand

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claig · 12/07/2016 20:02

They have voted 18-14 to allow Corbyn to stand in the leadership election.

One less stitch-up in a season os stitch-ups.

Go Corbyn!

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RiverTam · 21/07/2016 13:18

JC doesn't even support the Labour Party, though, does he? Their policies are agreed at their annual conference, in partnership with Labour Party members, so why the fuck is he voting against the will of his own party? I thought this was the man who cared oh-so-much about party members? No, he doesn't, he cares about him. The more I see and hear the more of an arrogant hypocrite I think he is. And his sycophants aren't helping one bit. Playground sulkers? He's the best example of one I've ever seen.

Memoires · 21/07/2016 13:11

I am sickened by the childish behaviour of Labour MPs atm. At least in PMQ you support your leader, or you've supported the Tories in all but name. Spoilt brattiness which just made them look like playground sulkers.

I am now considering joining Labour and paying the 25 quid to vote for JC. Just because of that. Idiots whom I really don't want anywhere near power. I hope JC, should Labour win the next GE, does indeed expel them all.

GlassCircles · 21/07/2016 11:28

Hilariously, Corbyn is today giving MPs a telling off for disloyalty, saying that he is "not going to tolerate continued sniping and discontent".

GlassCircles · 20/07/2016 13:54

Just because he has held the same, non-mainstream, ideas for a long time doesn't make him all that different to the others, he just hasn't managed to make himself and those ideas at all popular until recently. He's just as capable of hypocricy as anyone else.

GlassCircles · 20/07/2016 13:24

Credit: Alex Treece on Twitter:

Well done Labour NEC - Corbyn can stand
claig · 20/07/2016 13:24

'Well, they have a lot in common with Corbyn then, who has spent the last 3 decades plotting to overthrow Labour leaders.'

Yes, but COrbyn is a rebel, true and steadfast to his convictions, opposing Blairite wars from the start.

The 172 aren't rebels, they are Establishment, many of them voted for war the Iraq War and even voted to stop the enquiry into it, they contain the Establishment's favourites and Corbyn is definitely not one of those.

Owen Smith was a lobbyist for Pfizer and a SPAD, Jeremy Corbyn was a socialist running Stop the War.

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GlassCircles · 20/07/2016 13:16

Corbyn has been an MP since 1983 - sounds pretty 'established' to me?

the 172 are the established political class who are trying to overthrow a Labour leader voted in in a landslide

Well, they have a lot in common with Corbyn then, who has spent the last 3 decades plotting to overthrow Labour leaders.

claig · 20/07/2016 12:45

'Claig - I find it odd that you refer to Labour Party Members as 'the people'. Which people exactly?'

I use the term 'people' to refer to individuals who are not part of the established political class, whereas the 172 are the established political class who are trying to overthrow a Labour leader voted in in a landslide (which shocked the Establishment) just 9 months ago with the biggest mandate in UK political history.

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GlassCircles · 20/07/2016 11:35

And, anecdotally, every SWP-leaning person I've ever met personally has been a public schoolboy. Some I knew when they were actual schoolboys in the 80s, others just haven't grown out of it.

GlassCircles · 20/07/2016 11:31

Claig - I find it odd that you refer to Labour Party Members as 'the people'. Which people exactly? They aren't representative of the general population.

As mentioned in my previous post:

Stats on Labour Party membership from Prof Tim Bale:

"They are an unusual set of people - for a start they joined a political party, only about 1 to 2 % of people ever do that"

"They are unusual as well because about three-quarters of them are middle class people, over half of them are graduates, average age is around 51, so they don't really represent the population as a whole."

lljkk · 20/07/2016 09:31

Radio 5 are having a phone in about Corbyn right now, for those interested. Many fervent Corbyn supporters so far.

Mistake to think that those opposing Corbyn, simply oppose his "principles". Unless his principles" are supposed to mean treating his party colleagues like dirt, and publicly contradicting LP's supposed policy. If Corbyn were a canny operator & consensus builder, than he would have easily towed an eager-for-power PLP over to support his vision & this party implosion would not be happening. Instead, Corbynista politics seems to be about a populist leader speaking from the hip regardless of what was agreed with colleagues, reneging on promises to support Remain, no desire to present a competent and coherent management team, and entrenched clinging to power regardless of what it does to party unity. Corbyn doesn't care about loyalty, of course, we knew that before.

I ponied up my £25 so I get a vote. It's great that Owen Smith has industry experience working in Big Pharma. He knows exactly how the Bastards operate. Grin

oldbirdy · 20/07/2016 08:37

Yes I stand corrected. Sorry.

Noitsnotteatimeyet · 20/07/2016 07:35

I'm pretty sure it was voluntary aided so effectively independent but funded by the local authority (my old school was similar but reverted to completely independent status in the 1970s). He definitely went to a fee-paying prep school though

oldbirdy · 20/07/2016 07:11

Iirc Adams grammar or somesuch

oldbirdy · 20/07/2016 07:10

No, he went to a prep school followed by a private school, which has 'grammar' in its name. It is/ was a fee paying school not a Grammar in the way they are traditionally understood.

lljkk · 20/07/2016 00:54

Ta.

Noitsnotteatimeyet · 19/07/2016 23:44

He went to a prep school followed by a grammar school lljkk

lljkk · 19/07/2016 23:22

Was Corbyn privately educated? I can't find out which school he went to that was supposed to be private.

I am actually considering renewing my L-party membership just so I can vote against him, though. Argh. Shouldn't waste the £25, but pondering just so we can get a decent opposition.

claig · 19/07/2016 22:14

"Jeremy Corbyn And The People Versus The Media

In future history classrooms, students will likely be told the tale of the tag-team assault on Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn by the mainstream media and MPs. It will be taught as a harbinger of what is erupting into the most pivotal crisis facing Western politics in half a century: the chasm between ordinary people and the elites. We are seeing it with the Republican establishment’s failed efforts to derail the Trump train and the Democratic establishment’s more successful efforts to extinguish the Bern.
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The unrelenting bullying of the ordinary Party members’ choice of leader may even represent the death-throes of a ‘politico-media complex’ in futile denial that it has lost the hearts and minds of the masses. We may be witnessing the beginning of the end of what Noam Chomsky eloquently deconstructed in his Manufacturing Consent.
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Most people, however, are declining the Kool-aid on offer. Throughout the West, the chasm between the elite and the other 99% is unprecedented, not only in wealth distribution, but in the perceptions of politics and politicians. The system of manufacturing consent is facing an unprecedented challenge, one that seems still wilfully ignored in the MsM echo chamber.
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Politicians most in touch with the current popular anti-establishment mood are lampooned as relics of the past. Headlines report an attack on Corbyn by an ‘LGBT activist’ while dutifully omitting any reference to Jeremy’s long history of LGBT activism, including back when it wasn’t fashionable.

The MsM, reassured within its echo-chamber, has mistakenly continued to assume each one of us believes that all our neighbours buy this, that everyone else supports the officially sanctioned line and you’d be a tinfoil-hat-crackpot not to. Instead, a thing called the internet and its social media component have empowered ordinary people to, at least to some extent, see what their fellow citizens really think and connect with them.

These platforms have become stages upon which a rebuff is occurring, one as embarrassing to the MsM as the leadership vote. Article after article, Youtube video after video produced by the MsM touts the official talking points proclaiming Corbyn and other Left figures’ incompetence, bigotry, unpopularity etc. In every one of these, however, a quick scroll down to the comments section reveals hundreds of real people, almost exclusively saying the opposite of what the article/video instructed them to think."

www.huffingtonpost.com/kadira-pethiyagoda/jeremy-corbyn--the-people_b_11048424.html

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claig · 19/07/2016 21:04

'And privately educated, career politician Corbyn isn't part of the Establishment?'

No, because if he was, then the Establishment and the 172 would not be trying to remove him and prevent him even appearing on the ballot. The media will now give free access to the 172 on the BBC etc in order to slag Corbyn off and you won't see many Corbyn backing MPs invited onto the BBC.

The media pressure will mount on Corbyn and staff we have never heard of will be given primetime media access to tell the public how unorganised Corbyn is and how he ruins pre-planned publicity stunts (worked on by apparatchiks for months) and pre-planned media stunts by announcing cabinet reshuffles when the event planners had wanted the media to attend a stunt instead.

It won't work because the Corbyn supporting Labour members are wise to the Establishment game.

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AllThePrettySeahorses · 19/07/2016 20:17

And privately educated, career politician Corbyn isn't part of the Establishment? Wink

claig · 19/07/2016 18:36

' I wish the lovely Andy Burnham would stand again'

I wasn't keen on Burnham during the Miliband period. But my respect grew for him in the way he accepted defeat by Corbyn and carried on working constructively for Corbyn. Burnham put personal ambition aside and put the party first. He was the most honourable of the leadership challengers.

The trouble is he is still Establishment even though he is saying more populist things. The tie of the people has changed beyond recognition in just two years. There is no going back to the Establishment for a long time yet, I think. People want change.

Proportional representation will be next and that will usher in real change and democracy and Corbyn's Labour will be a real socialist party.

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AllThePrettySeahorses · 19/07/2016 18:32

I hope he does beat him, although his chances aren't great. I wish the lovely Andy Burnham would stand again, to be honest. I'd really like Jess Phillips because of her big mouth but I know she'd have no chance :)

claig · 19/07/2016 18:28

To be fair, Smith does come across well for Labour. Out of all of them, he is probably the best, apart from Corbyn, because Smith looks serious, is not smarmy and arrogant like some of the other favourites, and comes across as having humility.

It remains to be seen if that is enough to beat Corbyn and the left wing agenda that the Corbynistas like.

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AllThePrettySeahorses · 19/07/2016 18:22

Has she, Claig? That's a shame. I have a lot of respect for her. The abuse she has received is absolutely appalling. I'm not overly keen on Smith but I've not seem him speak, as I have the other two, so I'll reserve judgement, although I will vote for him.