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Well done Labour NEC - Corbyn can stand

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claig · 12/07/2016 20:02

They have voted 18-14 to allow Corbyn to stand in the leadership election.

One less stitch-up in a season os stitch-ups.

Go Corbyn!

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LazyCake · 12/07/2016 22:15

When Corbyn became leader in 2015, the Labour Party had not won an election for more than 10 years. It was unelectable, that is simply a fact. Now we have the unedifying spectacle of the likes of Gordon Brown, Ed Miliband and even Neil Kinnock lecturing Corbyn on how to win general elections.

They've lost the plot. I agree with claig, the old guard was taken unawares by Brexit, and they might just be taken awares by the new movement that is building behind Corbyn.

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claig · 12/07/2016 22:14

'what do you think of his confidence?'

I like it, he is getting better. He used to be constrained by trying to please and placate the 172 Establishment entryists who stitched him up at every turn, but now he is free and knows he has the support of the members against them.

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EElisavetaOfBelsornia · 12/07/2016 22:12

But claig, what do you think of his confidence?

lljkk · 12/07/2016 22:02

I agree with Claig about the different planet part.

Corbyn is a vile self-centered eogtist. As corrupted by power as anyone ever was.

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claig · 12/07/2016 21:56

LazyCake you are 100% right. very good point that the Establishment MPs don't understand Corbyn's appeal - they are on a different planet, the BBC mainstream TV planet that helps them sell messages and tries to do Corbyn down.

He was 100-1 outsider and beat the lot of them with all their media help and supporters. They can't understand the new world where the people are no longer fooled by the Establishment and their media, where they ignored Cameron, Osborne, the IMF and the Bank of England and still voted Brexit.

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evelynj · 12/07/2016 21:52

Huzzah! I love him.

LazyCake · 12/07/2016 21:49

People are laughing at Corbyn and ruling him out too soon. Absolutely.

Establishment MPs claim that he has no appeal because they do not understand his appeal. They call him a bad communicator because he uses new media and online campaign networks to get the message out, rather than relying on the TV networks and tabloid newspapers that did for Miliband. Jeremy Corbyn has more than half a million followers on Twitter, which puts Angela Eagle and the other rebel MPs in the shade.

Choosing Angela Eagle to head-up the coup shows just how deluded the rebels are. Eagle cannot even carry her own constituency, let alone the country. Having come fourth in the Deputy Leader election last summer, I do not understand why they think she will do any better this time.

In my view, it is Angela Eagle who represents an old, out-dated politics. She voted for the Iraq war, for ID cards, for 90 days detention, for student tuition fees, while abstaining on Tory welfare cuts and even speaking out against the living wage. The idea that she can bring meaningful change is risible.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/angela-eagle-policies-voting-record-iraq-welfare-cuts-vote-syria-trident-tuition-fees-snoop-marriage-a7111696.html

I won't hesitate to vote for Corbyn.

Lucked · 12/07/2016 21:22

Unfortunately I think Corbyn should stand, because him not standing would cause a shit storm. I have given him a chance for a year and I am completely underwhelmed. Where has he been and as a remain voter I am livid with him over Brexit.

I can only hope he loses the vote but I am nervous. Very nervous.

Eagle wouldn't be my choice but I am taking an anyone but Corbyn stance. If the next election isn't for four years there is time for a stronger leader to appear. If Corbyn looses he will never get back on the ballot.

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claig · 12/07/2016 21:04

People are laughing at Corbyn and ruling him out too soon. Corbyn's main strength is he actually believes in something unlike the rest of the Establishment career ladder climbers.

Churchill won the war, but was then surprisingly defeated by Labour's Atlee because the people wanted a new direction.

Corbyn's rise is just another example of the anti-establishment mood of the British people, they want something new, no more self-serving spinners and Establishment mouthpieces.

"With Theresa May in charge, Labour needs Jeremy Corbyn more than ever

Whatever your opinion of the Labour leader, he has given people something to believe in.
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With Theresa May’s promotion to Prime Minister, it is clear that the Labour party needs the policies and principles of Jeremy Corbyn more than ever. Stripped of the centre-left rhetoric and moral façade, May’s platform is one of division. While the country craves unity it is being offered the same old unworkable solutions to growing problems. The political arena looks more distant from the lives of normal people than ever before. Whether it is the selection of a new Prime Minister by 60 per cent of a parliamentary party or the lynch mob chasing after Corbyn, the public face of UK politics has been seriously discredited
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While I have felt depressed in recent weeks, hearing Corbyn’s speech to the Durham miner’s gala last week lifted my spirits. In response to questions about him being under pressure he replied: "Real pressure is when you don’t have enough money to feed your kids, when you don’t have a roof over your head, when you are wondering if you are going to be cared for." Hearing that reminded me of the politics I used to believe in.

Whatever your opinion of the Labour leader, he has certainly given people something to believe in. His supporters are passionate and determined to protect his democratic mandate. It is encouraging that such a passion for principled politics exists. Today, dirty and underhand tactics will be employed in an attempt to keep Corbyn from the Labour leadership ballot. I am confident that the principled politics I feared dead will be victorious."

www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2016/07/theresa-may-charge-labour-needs-jeremy-corbyn-more-ever

Corbyn is starting to fight, he is starting to smile, he is making jokes, he looks confident, he is elated, he radiates enthusiasm as do his supporters. Corbyn could trounce May if he can control his party.

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freshmint · 12/07/2016 21:01

If 178 MPs leave labour and join the lib dems the labour won't even be in opposition any more and they will get out from under the union yoke.

They would have 4 years before the next election to reconcile their voters to the change. Some would then lose their seats of course but many would retain them as lib dems. Probably more than would retain their seats as labour under a loony corbyn-led election.

Must be tempting.

charleybarley · 12/07/2016 20:59

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lljkk · 12/07/2016 20:52

Oh ffs, suicide song of the Labour Party. Can't Stand Corbyn. His election was enough to convince me I didn't want to be a Labour party member, any more.

milkysmum · 12/07/2016 20:49

I am behind Corbyn 100%

TheNaze73 · 12/07/2016 20:47

This is such a funny thread

ElizabethG81 · 12/07/2016 20:46

When was the last time Britian voted in an ultra-left-wing government, remind me again?

It's come to something when standard left-wing, quite traditional Labour policies are presented as "ultra left-wing". This country's moved so far to the right, it's frightening.

Redactio · 12/07/2016 20:43

I voted for him last time, and will do so again. Mind you I am a Tory.

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claig · 12/07/2016 20:41

'Claig you re taking the piss.'

Not at all.

Remember that it was Corbyn who said that Article 50 should be invoked immediately and who was lukewarm on Remain. Corbyn is more confident and less aloof and is getting better at the media than Theresa May is.

Corbyn doesn't need to be seen to be tough, he is confident in his skin, so there will be no pointless tough talk on wars or removing civil liberties etc.

Corbyn will offer better housing, better health care, state aid to the steel industry etc.

Corbyn's only negative is on immigration where he is still wedded to the belief of open door immigration. If he can change on that, then Corbyn beats May very easily.

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chosenone · 12/07/2016 20:41

Good Smile... many people will be happy and he can now try to win the middle ground over. He has a huge following

Laselva · 12/07/2016 20:39

Cheers Jeremy, the Labour party might vote you in, but the public won't. You might win the battle but the war will be lost. Brexit means workers rights will no longer be protected by Europe and you are handing the next 8+ years to the tories to do as they want.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 12/07/2016 20:38

The people wont prefer Corbyn. Currently he's a has-been. He needs to bide his time or reinvent himself. They are shell shocked and looking for a new UK leader.

In a year or so, well who knows.

It's a shame Ed Miliband didn't come onto the scene now (rather than displacing his brother) he'd go down an absolute storm.

RiverTam · 12/07/2016 20:37

9 million people voted for those MPs in the last election. They didn't vote for Corbyn, and they won't, especially if Corbyn doesn't stop being so arrogant and if he doesn't rein in his Momentum thugs. When was the last time Britian voted in an ultra-left-wing government, remind me again? And where exactly was he on the day our PM resigned, again? Oh yes, at some do for Cuba. FFS.

Bohemond · 12/07/2016 20:36

Claig you re taking the piss.
As a Tory voter I welcome this - go Corbyn! And go Eagle for that matter.

titchy · 12/07/2016 20:32

The Democrats is apparently the new name charley....

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claig · 12/07/2016 20:31

If Corbyn takes control of the party, then in a head to head with Theresa May, I think the people will prefer Corbyn, especially now that he is growing in confidence and using humour and letting his personality emerge.

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