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Well done Labour NEC - Corbyn can stand

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claig · 12/07/2016 20:02

They have voted 18-14 to allow Corbyn to stand in the leadership election.

One less stitch-up in a season os stitch-ups.

Go Corbyn!

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claig · 14/07/2016 19:01

'the official Labour Party line now over "you will be eligible to vote in leadership elections" is "it doesn't say which elections"'

How unedifying to see these MPs scratching around for any obscure rule and asking for legal advice on the letter of the law rather than the spirit of the law in their attempt to find some way to stop Corbyn.

"Rules say no", "computer says no", "Establishment says no"

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claig · 14/07/2016 18:30

LowDudgeon, you are spot on.

The Daily Mirror has an article about the Labour party suspending local party meetings until the leadership contest ends. The article doesn't really shine a light on it, but the comments underneath by readers and Labour supporters and possibly members, are eye-opening about it. The Establishment think the people are stupid, but they aren't.

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LowDudgeon · 14/07/2016 18:13

Even the Conservatives only have a 3-month wait before being able to vote.

& the official Labour Party line now over "you will be eligible to vote in leadership elections" is "it doesn't say which elections"

Democracy, eh?

LowDudgeon · 14/07/2016 18:11

Angela Eagle's CLP was about to meet to discuss deselecting her. The ban on CLP meetings might just possibly have something to do with that?

Stalin would be proud of the decisions being taken by the Party against its supporters over the last couple of days. & people say Corbyn is too left-wing!

claig · 14/07/2016 18:10

''none of the CLPs can vote no confidence in their MP''

Corbyn is more popular than them. The whole country is seeing how they operate

'another vote Robert Peston compared to ‘gerrymandering‘ by Corbyn’s opponents'

Non-Labour voters, who admire Corbyn's guts in standing up to their bullying, gerrymandering and constant denigration on the BBC and in the media, are seeing how little they respect democracy and the will of their own members. It is an unedifying sight and millions of non-Labour voters as well as Labour voters and members are hoping that Corbyn beats them and delivers a victory for democracy even if the Establishment doesn't want Corbyn.

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claig · 14/07/2016 18:05

'none of the CLPs can vote no confidence in their MP'

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claig · 14/07/2016 18:04

'With their crackdown on party democracy, Labour’s reformers have become entrenched'
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"The NEC have of course now suspended CLP meetings until the campaign is over, ostensibly to ensure the safety of all concerned. I suspect there’s more to it.

For all the evident bad blood, if members cannot sit in the same room with each other without resorting to violence then the party is finished anyway.

It does have the happy side effect for some of guaranteeing none of the CLPs can vote no confidence in their MP.

The decision was taken in an NEC session which contained another vote Robert Peston compared to ‘gerrymandering‘ by Corbyn’s opponents. That vote was not on the agenda and was taken after Corbyn and a couple of his supporters had left, resulting in party members who had joined in the last six months being ineligible to vote in the leadership election."

leftfootforward.org/2016/07/with-their-crackdown-on-party-democracy-labours-reformers-have-become-entrenched/

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claig · 14/07/2016 17:56

'The up-to-date ones, not yours from a year ago? Corbyn is not popular with the general public, he is not popular with union members.'

RiverTam, the polls are wrong as we know. They are probably often fixed by the Esatblishment and their mates. On the eve of the Referendum, the Establishment told us that they were ten points ahead of the people in the polls and the markets believed the Establishment and their polls, and yet the people won.

The reason Corbyn is losing support in the country is because he has had a relentless campaign by the media, the BBC, the Establishment stooges and his own MPs against him from teh time he got in. That has an effect on the public. Even I am getting fed up of Corbyn's weakness in not sacking them. He finally did it, but he should have done it ages ago. In reality, despite the Establishment's tricks and tears about bullying from Corbyn supporters, Corbyn will probably beat the Establishment opponents and if he then does mandatory re-selection, Establishment candidates will probably be removed, and then Corbyn won't have to put up with his own MPs on TV every night telling the public how useless Corbyn is, and then Corbyn will climb in the polls.

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claig · 14/07/2016 17:51

'Labour leadership candidate as popular with Ukip voters as Labour voters, Survation finds, and is top in London, according to separate poll''

Not at all. I think Jacob Rees-Mogg, Old Etonian and Oxbridge, is fantastic, a real breath of fresh air, because he has the courage to speak his own mind and articulate common sense. I vote for common sense politics, which happened to be Corbyn's slogan, copied from UKIP "straight talking common sense".

What I am against is puppets who are propelled into office because they do as they are told. Corbyn isn't one of them, aand nor are Trump, Farage and Rees-Mogg.

Corbyn's policy guy is Seumas Milne, PPE Oxford. Great and he has the courage to think differently and not do as he is told.

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RiverTam · 14/07/2016 17:51

Claig, did you read the links I posted? The up-to-date ones, not yours from a year ago? Corbyn is not popular with the general public, he is not popular with union members.

lljkk · 14/07/2016 17:46

Tax credit & disability benefit: the Lords & Tory backbenchers are the ones who made govt U-turn. I struggle to give Labour any credit.

Claig has a mega chip on shoulder towards anyone with privilege, and trumpets anyone who hassles the privileged. Claig wants to see those in power get hurt -- maybe it's a bonus if the person who causes the chaos is also quite privileged (Farage, Trump, etc.)

claig · 14/07/2016 17:42

sailawaywithme - the OP is not a fool, she's a shrewd Tory. She's never hidden the fact she's right-wing - currently UKIP.'

flowersandsunshine, I am a floating voter like millions of others. I have no party allegiance, unlike you. I voted Blair in 1997, then Tory, then UKIP when I finally had enough of Cameron and the team of modernising spinners, who are exactly the same as the Blairites.

'Labour leadership candidate as popular with Ukip voters as Labour voters, Survation finds, and is top in London, according to separate poll''

Like lots of other voters, unlike you, I like Corbyn because he offers a different politics to the Blairite and Cameron spinners. The Etsbalishment is terrified of Corbyn and are desperate to stop him because he won't do as they tell him, unlike the Blairites etc. When the Establishment come knocking and tell Corbyn they have a war for him to join in with or a regime that needs toppling, Corbyn won't do it, he won't go along, and that is why they want Corbyn not to get in.

I don't agree with all of Corbyn's policies and think that McDonnell's talk of "every country will have open borders by the end of the century" is bonkers. I don't agree with Corbyn on climate change, I agree with Corbyn's excellent brother, Dr Piers Corbyn, and Piers says he discusses climate change with Corbyn over Christmas dinner, so maybe Corbyn understands what it is really all about. But you can't have everything in politics, I am happy to ignore the things that I disagree with Corbyn about if he comes up with good policies on housing, education, health, care for the elderly etc.

I, like millions of other non-Labour voters, would never vote for Hillary Benn, Chuka Umunna, Angela Eagle and Owen Smith, but I would vote for Corbyn if he has the courage to implement a different politics and agenda.

The Labour 172 are arrogant and think they are more popular than Corbyn. They aren't, among Labour members, Corbyn is more popular, and among the public and non-Labour voters, Corbyn is more popular.

Corbyn is a breath of fresh air in our politics, he has the Establishment and their stooges terrified. If I wanted Labour to be "destroyed as a political force" then I wouldn't be supporting the energy and dynamism and new thinking injected into our politics by Corbyn and the Corbynistas. Instead I would support the tired old Labour spinners like Alastair Campbell, Neil Kinnock, Gordon Brown, Tony Blair, Ed Miliband, Angela Eagle, Hillary Benn and all the rest of the Establishment spinners.

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LazyCake · 14/07/2016 14:00

sailawaywithme, I think that whether or not one sees Corbyn as a blast from the past, or a harbinger of the future depends very much on your generation. DH is older than me, and became politically active in the late 80s. He is lukewarm on Corbyn, fearing a return to the divisions of the past, giving way to years of neo-Thatcherism. I came of age in the early 2000s, so for me the bogey is Blair, not Thatcher. Very many of Corbyn's supporters are under 35, and for them he represents something new and exciting after years of centrist orthodoxy.

flowersandsunshine, I disagree that there has been 'zero action on actual issues that affect the 99%'. Corbyn has achieved significant victories on issues such as tax credit and disability benefit cuts. Thousands of very poor people are significantly better off as a result of his leadership. Under Corbyn's leadership, we have avoided another bloody intervention in the middle east, and issues of international law and human rights have been placed centre stage. Furthermore, he has massively grown the party membership, as well as leading Labour to victory in the London mayoral race, as well as by-elections.

What's there not to like?

Oh, and I have never understood why people get upset about politicians having received good educations. Would you prefer them to be badly educated? I speak as someone who went to a rather shabby comprehensive.

sailawaywithme · 14/07/2016 13:47

flowers you're right, they won't do a damn thing on any substantive issues.

flowersandsunshine · 14/07/2016 12:23

And sailawaywithme - agree that Cobynites are a "a tub-thumping, "anti-Establishment" protest movement" - much like Trump supporters or Tea Partyers. Lots of waffle about elites but zero action on actual issues that affect the 99%. They think they're oh-so-different, but of course they're not. They're also similarly violent and aggressive towards those they disagree with.

flowersandsunshine · 14/07/2016 12:19

Shame that the pro-Corbyn faithful fall for it so easily.

flowersandsunshine · 14/07/2016 12:18

sailawaywithme - the OP is not a fool, she's a shrewd Tory. She's never hidden the fact she's right-wing - currently UKIP.

Of course she wants Corbyn on the ballot - because if he wins, she knows as well as we all do that Labour will be destroyed as a political force. Who on the right wouldn't want that?

I can't help wondering if Corbyn (born in a manor house, privately educated, never had a 'real job' outside politics) and Seumas Milne (Wichester educated, very well off) along with the Momentum head James Schneider (also from incredibly wealthy and very dodgy background - see: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/Jeremy_Corbyn/12047894/James-Schneider-face-of-Momentum-activists-with-education-and-childhood-home-paid-for-by-fraud.html - are not all fifth columnists, brought in to destroy the left.

Wonder if Milne's Winchester old-school chums put him up to it?

lionheart · 14/07/2016 10:25

Corbyn is a disaster.

sailawaywithme · 14/07/2016 09:12

OP, you're a fool. If you want Labour to be a serious electoral contender, Smith or Eagle need to drag the party out of the past that Corbyn is clinging onto. If, on the other hand, you want to be part of a tub-thumping, "anti-Establishment" protest movement (and frankly I think that confers more status than is deserved), fly your flag for Corbyn.

I imagine Theresa May can't believe her luck.

RiverTam · 14/07/2016 09:04

The unions may support Corbyn but this YouGov poll shows that the majority of their members don't.

Italiangreyhound · 14/07/2016 02:42

Go Corbyn.

BurnTheBlackSuit · 13/07/2016 22:55

Don't Labour get all their money from the unions? The unions support Corbyn. So if the party splits into old labour (Corbyn) and new labour (Blairites), who will fund New Labour?

RiverTam · 13/07/2016 22:34

Just to reiterate, the Guardian article the OP has just linked to is from August 2015, nearly a year ago.

RiverTam · 13/07/2016 22:33

Corbyn's popularlity is at its lowest since he was elected, claig - see this Ipsos Mori poll. Bit more up to date.

LazyCake · 13/07/2016 22:19

If Corbyn ends his belief in open door immigration, then he will beat Theresa May. Yes, I think so too.