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Fellow Trumpites, huge announcemnet expected in the next few hours

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claig · 19/01/2016 21:00

Trump has teased there will be a huge announcement at his rally in Ames, Iowa tonight. Special guest will be there.

Elites across the world are in panic, luvvies are having a lie down, Oxbridge is tuned in, PPES are petrified.

Will Palin endorse Trump? Is it game over for the Establishment?

No one knows. Elites are in meltdown and Trump fans are already doing the hokey-cokey.

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TrafficJunkie · 20/01/2016 20:46

It frightens me that there are people like trump in positions of power. Much like palin.
They are an awful calibre of people who do not deserve the suits they wear or the cars they drive for their racist, xenophobic, homophobic, incestuous and classist attitudes towards other people... All the while fingering their own arses watching reruns of their own speeches.

I cannot abide the views and actions of these people, and are disheartened by the human race thst they even have supporters, much the same way Hitler and Mao Tse Tung did. To me they are no different in their personality type. Trump is in fact more dangerous because he has more leverage.
I wish the trump empire would fall. Its either him or us.

claig · 20/01/2016 20:42

'What is the "job" that Trump says he can get done'

To fix America, to save it, to save the middle class, to save jobs and bring them back home, to cut the 19 trillion of debt, to stop wasting trillions on war, to restore hope and all constitutional liberties and freedoms to the American people and to end political correctness.

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claig · 20/01/2016 20:40

'But why would you do that confused when you could just check the history of his business deals and see how, cough, well they all turned out confused

Trump says, Trump says, Trump says... what do you think he has done to earn the trust, Claig?'

Some of his casinos went bankrupt. But so what? The problem was that there was a recession and he was overborrowed so the banks called some of his loans in. He renogiated them and got a longer time to pay back and eventually got out of the whole. There is no shame in that. It is the Wall Street banks who have to give business longer to repay, there was nothing fundamentally wrong with Trump's business apart from the shock that teh financial crash and recession dealt them. I am for banks bailing out business with longer term lower interest loans so that jobs and buildings can be developed in the real economy rather than in the casino one that causes the crashes.

I trsut Trump because he is successful and above all because he has the courage to be politically incorrect and defy the medi and Establishment. It takes courage to change things and Trump has demonstrated courage against the whole lot of them. That is why I think he can get America and the world out of the hole it is in without creatng a disastrous third world war which some factions would rather see happen.

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 20/01/2016 20:36

What is the "job" that Trump says he can get done

What's the vision, after giving all Americans a job and telling everyone else to fuck off? What does he want?

claig · 20/01/2016 20:35

"Trump the liberal (!!)."

"Donald Trump a Typical New York City Liberal Then and Now"

www.conservativereview.com/commentary/2016/01/deace-donald-trump-a-typical-new-york-city-liberal-then-and-now

The donor class use their conservative puppets to attack Trump and say he isn't a real conservative. It is a trick so that they get their puppets back in so that the financial merry-go-round continues.

Trump is not an ideological conservative, but he is what most ordinary conservatives really want, someone who is against global warming and not politically correct and for low taxes and business. He is for jobs and tariffs, "fair trade, not free trade". That is what most people want apart from Wall Street and their servants.

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 20/01/2016 20:28

Trump says he will do deals and get on. I believe him

But why would you do that Confused when you could just check the history of his business deals and see how, cough, well they all turned out Confused

Trump says, Trump says, Trump says... what do you think he has done to earn the trust, Claig?

claig · 20/01/2016 20:28

'And in making deals he will end up not delivering the Trump message. Or at least diluting it.'

Yes, he is a dealmaker. He is not a pure ideological conservative That is why the Republican donor elite doesn't trust him. He is a populist as opposed to a pure conservative. He cares about jobs, he will impose trade tariffs and the ideological conservatives are against that, they believe in free trade and shipping jobs abroad to wherever labour is cheaper. He opposes that..

'Their electoral system means he'd have to start delivering on day 1 whilst the same faces are in the legislature.'

Yes. America is in trouble. It is over 19 trillion in debt. World stock markets are crashing and military experts say the world has never looked so desperate. There are only a few ways out. The Wall Street way will be a disaster and will lead to war. Trump's way won't. It is very serious and trump will use his "energy" and can-do American business spirit to "get the job done". That is what Republican voters believe and that is why they support him rather than the failed Wall Street Establishment who Trump says "loses everytime" and are not even beating Isis. With Trump all of that will change.

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tilder · 20/01/2016 20:22

Am trying to see Trump the saviour.Trump the compromiser. Trump the politician (but not career politician). Trump the liberal (!!).

Trying to see, squinting a bit.

Nope. Nothing.

Am hoping there will be no red, white and blue lycra when he comes to save America.

claig · 20/01/2016 20:21

'and your answer doesn't describe the Salmon/Sturgess/Trump business relationship'

I don't know enough about that. Trump says he will do deals and get on. I believe him, but I could be wrong. So far millions of Republican voters believe him. Ther eis an element of trsut involved. Do you trust the usual liars, the "career politicians" who have let Republicans down again and again, or do you trsut Trump? There is no alternative to Trump for millions of Republican voters, they don't trust the Establishment. Every Fox and CNN bulletin about the election is about the ant-establishment insurgency of Trump, Cruz and Carson against the Establishment's last hope, Marco Rubio.

And it is the same on the Democrat side, with Sanders outpolling Clinton in New Hampshire and very close in Iowa.

There is going to be a huge change in America because people have had enough of the Establishment, just like here, only even more there now.

'Trump popularity linked to 'mass dissatisfaction''

The rise of populism in U.S. politics is a direct result of a growing disparity in trust between the vast majority of the population and the global elite, public relations executive Richard Edelman told CNBC on Wednesday at the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland.

This gap in trust between the "informed public" — college-educated professionals with a household income in the top 25 percent for their age in their country — and the general population is now the largest ever, his eponymous communications marketing firm has found.

"Donald Trump is a clear result of this mass population's dissatisfaction with the current crop of candidates," Edelman said. He believes Trump is a serious candidate, but he's also convinced that voters with less conservative views will eventually rise up and speak out against the candidate for the Republican nomination.

Trump's popularity was directly linked to "mass dissatisfaction with how they are being talked to," Edelman said".

www.cnbc.com/2016/01/20/trump-popularity-linked-to-mass-dissatisfaction.html

The "global elite" the Davos guy talked about are in meltdown. They hope the insurgency will stop, but it won't, it can't, because the people have woken up and have had enough.

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GiddyOnZackHunt · 20/01/2016 20:17

And in making deals he will end up not delivering the Trump message. Or at least diluting it. There aren't Trumpalikes out there waiting to take Congress and the Senate over. Their electoral system means he'd have to start delivering on day 1 whilst the same faces are in the legislature.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 20/01/2016 20:09

he gets on with people, just like he did in business

But it WAS a serious question, and your answer doesn't describe the Salmon/Sturgess/Trump business relationship.

Congress won't get past pork barreling politics with the biggest porker of all in front of the parade.

I think 'compromise' is probably not his default position.

claig · 20/01/2016 19:59

That is a very good question Giddy.

Trump says he is a deal maker, he gets on with people, just like he did in business and at the black pastor meeting etc. Trump says that Obama can't get anything through Congress, he can't convince anyone and make deals and compromises and is therefore now resorting to executive orders to push through policies. Today, the Attorney General of Texas has challenged Obama's asylum policy as being unconstitutional.

Trump says that the Constitution must be respected and that he will get people together and do deals and carry out government as it should be done via Congress etc rather than by executive orders and decrees.

Trump is not an out and out conservative, he was liberal in many ways before, and he will get on with the Democrats. At the moment, the Republicans control both Houses. Lots of Republican elites are anti Trump, but I think he will end up getting such a popular mandate that the puppets will have to work with Trump to save their seats.

'A man who's used to being an autocratic business man'

He is a deal maker, he makes compromises, he doesn't lay down the law or executive orders. But he will fire any staff who are incompetent and not up to the task of serving the American people.

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GiddyOnZackHunt · 20/01/2016 19:51

Serious question claig.
If the Trump triumphs then how do you see it panning out in the Senate and Congress? If you see Trump as a democratic Republican then how is he going to get stuff done? A man who's used to being an autocratic business man.

*Sorry for being a downer on a jolly thread

lljkk · 20/01/2016 19:48

Jerry Falwell, president of Liberty University that offers online courses to 100,000 students, and hosts the Centre for Creation studies?

Maybe Ivanka Trump can sort out Track Palin.

claig · 20/01/2016 19:46

'up until the point voters start considering what will actually happen to their pension once you put the crazy, narcissist-haired, orange-faced, angry man in touch with his ego AND the big red button'

But that is the point of elections and democracy. I think Trump will win with ease against Clinton, if she is not indicted before then. There is still a doubt that Trump will become the Republican nominee because the Republican Establishment want to stop him. Bush insists that Trump won't be the nominee. Trumpites have our fingers crossed that Jeb Bush will be wrong, but nothing is for certain yet.

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claig · 20/01/2016 19:43

'but some people on Fox news (which Murdoch controls) said Parliament being democratic was bad'

Many of the Fox News lot don't want Trump to win, but they are all in favour of democracy. They thought it was wrong to try and ban someone for exercising free speech. That is alien to Americans where freedom of speech is enshrined in the First Amendment.

I am all for democracy, just not pointless posturing and debating by nobodies for 3 hours without a vote that can actually ban him, while steel jobs in Port Talbot are being lost and nobodies are parading about and calling the next President of the United States a "wazzock".

' we're all the elite anyway so if we think it it MUST be bad.'

We are not the elite, we are the people who are mocked and insulted and laughed at by the elite who posture while steel jobs are being lost.

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AthelstaneTheUnready · 20/01/2016 19:40

because he dares to be politically incorrect and dares to defy the conventions

Ahhhh, Farage writ large [nostalgic sigh].

That's all absolutely fandabidozy and correct right up until the point voters start considering what will actually happen to their pension once you put the crazy, narcissist-haired, orange-faced, angry man in touch with his ego AND the big red button.

AthelstaneTheUnready · 20/01/2016 19:36

'some of them on Fox News were not impressed

Hang on, I'm getting confused: I thought you weren't in favour of The Murdoch? So if he's not impressed, that's... good... isn't it...?'

It wasn't Murdoch. I don't care what Murdoch thinks, he cares about power and now he is belatedly realising that nothing can stop Trump

So... the people are good, but Murdoch is bad, but some people on Fox news (which Murdoch controls) said Parliament being democratic was bad, which you think is good, because you support Trump who says democracy is good, but only if it's his, which we all think is bad, which you think is good because we're all the elite anyway so if we think it it MUST be bad...

This is exhausting. Kudos for keeping it up, but I am getting a little concerned for the state of the inside of your skull. (Would you like some tea, or have we decided that The Donald probably wouldn't approve )

claig · 20/01/2016 19:36

'That's the stuff we want from an US President indeed.'

It doesn't matter. it is real. the people are sick of phoneys and "career politicians" in the pockets of lobbyists, donors and Wall Street.

The real reason trump is winning with ease is because he dares to be politically incorrect and dares to defy the conventions of the media class, the donor class, the Establishment and their paid for political class. It wil take courage to challenge that lot and save America and trump has shown that he can flip the finger at the lot of them and still soar in the polls.

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claig · 20/01/2016 19:33

'still no endorsements'

Not yet. But you should have heard Jerry Falwell's introduction about Trump. It wasn't an endorsement, but it was amazing and as near as you can get. Trump will win over lots and lots of people, there is still a lot of time left.

'He and Palin show dismissive, arrogant and frankly aggressive tendencies against non Americans'

Some of that is for show and to appeal to the base. It is tough talk but not necessarily what they will do. It's politics, the Art of the Deal, a show.

' The world would be a very unstable place with them in charge of the USA.'

It won't. Read up about Trump. He was against the Iraq War, he said it would destabilise the Middle East. He has said that Hillary is responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of people, he says the waste of lives was awful and unnecessary. He says that the world would have been better and safer with Saddam and Ghadaffi in power. He has said he thinks he will get on with Putin. He has said that America has wasted trillions in the Middle East and got nothing for it. He says he will end the wars and rebuild America and bring jobs back.

He wants to save America. His policy will be completely different to Wall Street's which is why every puppet in the world is against him.

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DoctorTwo · 20/01/2016 19:29

Donald J Trump is a buffoon and having Sarah Palin endorse you is the kiss of death. Mind you, if he gets the nomination it means Hillary or Bernie (I'm rooting for Bernie, at least he's not a corporatist) is a shoo in.

Lweji · 20/01/2016 19:28

He makes mistakes, he tweets in anger, he gets into spats, he says things that are wrong

That's the stuff we want from an US President indeed. Grin

claig · 20/01/2016 19:25

'They strutted about

I think you'll find they sat on their comfy leather arses.'

I didn't even watch the inconsequential shower to be honest. I am just imagining how they must have risen from their benches, jabbed their fingers and called the next President of the United States "a wazzock". I knew our country was in decline, but I didn't want to be reminded of it by watching the nobodies get their 5 minutes of fame.

'some of them on Fox News were not impressed

Hang on, I'm getting confused: I thought you weren't in favour of The Murdoch? So if he's not impressed, that's... good... isn't it...?'

It wasn't Murdoch. I don't care what Murdoch thinks, he cares about power and now he is belatedly realising that nothing can stop Trump and is therefore now belatedly softening to him. What I care about is ordinary Americans and American influential journalists and conservatives thinking that our country is a washed-out joke with nobodies trying to ban a future American President, top of the polls among millions of ordinary American voters, for exercising free speech.

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tilder · 20/01/2016 19:20

Despite such glowing sentiments (which weren't exactly universal amongst the pastors) still no endorsements.

If he speaks for the silent majority then I pity the rest. Including us. He and Palin show dismissive, arrogant and frankly aggressive tendencies against non Americans (as well as to a lot of americans). The world would be a very unstable place with them in charge of the USA.

claig · 20/01/2016 19:20

Trump speaks off teh cuff, there are no scripts, no teenage whizzkids tell him what to say. He makes mistakes, he tweets in anger, he gets into spats, he says things that are wrong because he is real and unscripted. The people, the Republican base, forgive him because they know he is real unlike the bought and paid for Wall Street candidates.

Trump wanted teh endorsement of teh black pastors because he is not as conservative as some of the other candidates. Trump is more of a liberal, a Reagan Democrat type. That doesn't go down well with some of teh ultra religious types. Trump is in a battle to the end. He intends to become President, he intends to save America, save the middle class, end the Middle East wars and give people their jobs and hope back. It is serious, it is real. The entire Establishment and media are against him because he is not controlled.

He needed Palin to endorse him to sway the real conservative Tea Party types and evalengicals who like Cruz. Trump is in a battle to the end, he has to save America. That is why he has called Cruz "a real nasty guy that nobody likes". He is not like our mealy-mouthed political class of nobodies who wouldn't dare say the like.

If Trump becomes the Republican nominee, which is his first hurdle, he will then be in a fight to the end with Clinton, if she hasn't already been indicted by that time. And Trump will then tell the public everything about Bill and how Hillary helped him. He won't take pleasure in it, he gets on with everybody, but he has to win to save America and that is what he will do.

Don't believe the BBC and our political class, watch Trump for yourself and see what is really at stake and why puppets across the world are trembling at the prospect of Trump getting into the White House.

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