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Have the House of Lords voted yet about the tax credits?

221 replies

Fantasyland · 24/10/2015 21:15

Just wondering if my last hope of the House of Lords voting against the tax credits changes has happened yet?

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cruikshank · 26/10/2015 19:46

I'll take it as a victory of sorts, PetitPiaf.

For those not watching, they voted in favour of Baroness Meacher's motion that the changes be investigated with proper figures given as to who is affected by the cuts and by how much and for the Commons to reconsider in the light of this.

(I think.)

Given that Howe was forced to admit earlier that the '8 in 10 families benefit by 2020' line applied to all families, not just those on tax credits, it could or could not prove interesting when it goes back to the Commons.

Sirzy · 26/10/2015 19:45

I think realistically this delay was the best we could hope for at this point, hopefully it makes them completely reassess.

Seriouslyffs · 26/10/2015 19:45
Grin I bloody love the House of Lords. It shouldn't work, it's archaic and unfair and unaccountable, but it does! And it's incredibly cheap compared with other second chambers.
KatharineClifton · 26/10/2015 19:44

Meacher's one that just passed says this Shutthatdoor

"to move, as an amendment to the motion in the name of the Lord Privy Seal, to leave out all the words after “that” and insert “this House declines to consider the draft Regulations laid before the House on 7 September until the Government lay a report before the House, detailing their response to the analysis of the draft Regulations by the Institute for Fiscal Studies, and considering possible mitigating action.”

Everything hinges on the last 4 words.

OddBoots · 26/10/2015 19:44

The last few times they did the spoken bit there seemed to be a mix of male and female voices saying 'content' and mainly/only male voices saying 'not content'. Not that I know what that means and if that actually pans out in the voting.

GingerIvy · 26/10/2015 19:44

2 delays better than one, right? In case Tory nasties manage to sidestep one?

claig · 26/10/2015 19:44

Channel 4 says tax credit changes look like being stopped dead in their tracks for now if 2 votes go against them.

WhyBeHappyWhenYouCouldBeNormal · 26/10/2015 19:44

the delay will give time for the living wage to be enacted, and all the higher personal allowance etc - so in theory should be better - rather than 3 years of absolute poverty before these things are brought in.

LuisSuarezTeeth · 26/10/2015 19:44

Yup

WhyBeHappyWhenYouCouldBeNormal · 26/10/2015 19:43

Yes - I believe they have passed a delay - they are now deciding if they are going to suggest Hollis's as well?

Shutthatdoor · 26/10/2015 19:43

So it is going ahead just delayed?

GingerIvy · 26/10/2015 19:42

Do they now continue voting on the other stuff or deal with this delay first?

LuisSuarezTeeth · 26/10/2015 19:42

Oh!

OddBoots · 26/10/2015 19:41

Am I understanding correctly they have passed a delay in the implementation?

WhyBeHappyWhenYouCouldBeNormal · 26/10/2015 19:41

i had written this but didn't post in time!

so there were 5 options, and they need to pick one

a) do nothing and approve like good boys and girls
b) Manzoor's fatal motion (rejected)
c) Baroness Meacher's amendment to delay cuts till more info is considered (content - so approved?)
d) Bishop of Portsmouth's idea (what is it?) now skipped
e) Barroness Hollis's delay (now voting?)

GingerIvy · 26/10/2015 19:41

Peers vote to delay implementation of tax credit cuts by majority of 30

The Meacher amendment delaying the implementation of tax credit cuts has been passed by 307 votes to 277 - a majority of 30.

LuisSuarezTeeth · 26/10/2015 19:41

Fuck

PetitPiaf · 26/10/2015 19:40

A victory of sorts?!

PetitPiaf · 26/10/2015 19:39

This particular government has been dreadfully unparlimentarian in behaviour. Remember Hague's nasty behaviour at the end of parliament last year to the speaker.

PetitPiaf · 26/10/2015 19:37

Fucking Tory Bastards Angry

LuisSuarezTeeth · 26/10/2015 19:37

I've felt sick all day Sad

NapoleonsNose · 26/10/2015 19:36

Me neither Petit

PetitPiaf · 26/10/2015 19:35

Is Baroness Hollis' amendment next if this one doesn't pass?

GingerIvy · 26/10/2015 19:35

I just feel sick over this. I have never been so appalled by a government before, and that includes Thatcher. That's saying something.

PetitPiaf · 26/10/2015 19:34

I'm not optimistic...