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Have the House of Lords voted yet about the tax credits?

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Fantasyland · 24/10/2015 21:15

Just wondering if my last hope of the House of Lords voting against the tax credits changes has happened yet?

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Nottodaythankyouorever · 26/10/2015 20:17

It almost feels like they should either decide that this is fair amount to live on, for anyone entitled to help, or its not

Very true.

I'm sure if possible there could be legal challenges to it.

How for example can you pay two sets of families two different amounts when they earn the same, just because of when they start their claim!?

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 26/10/2015 20:14

Thanks NotToday.

I do feel sorry for people who will start claiming. It seems a bit of a cop out to say that it's too harsh to switch everyone too in April but new claimants can have that and then in three years, old claimants can too.

It almost feels like they should either decide that this is fair amount to live on, for anyone entitled to help, or its not.

LuisSuarezTeeth · 26/10/2015 20:11

Doesn't end here, I'm damned sure. The IFS can't be ignored

NapoleonsNose · 26/10/2015 20:11

A lot of water to go under the bridge in three years. The Tories have shown their true blue colours now and hopefully the electorate have finally realised exactly what they are like.

Nottodaythankyouorever · 26/10/2015 20:07

Yeah, it goes ahead. It's delayed and there is transitional protection do current claimants but they didn't cancel the cuts, they just postponed them.

Correct and new claimants are still affected.

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 26/10/2015 20:06

Sorry, cross posts with a few people!

Bubblesinthesummer · 26/10/2015 20:06

Bubbles yes I hope people stand up for other things too.

There has been a lot of attention to the tax credit cuts and people taking a stand but not as much attention on the deaths of people being found fit to work and then dying.

I know Sad These are also the groups that can't always fight for themselves

LuisSuarezTeeth · 26/10/2015 20:06

Used a Statutory Bill to try and sneak it through the back door like nobody would notice. That backfired then Grin

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 26/10/2015 20:05

Yeah, it goes ahead. It's delayed and there is transitional protection do current claimants but they didn't cancel the cuts, they just postponed them.

Its been a while since I did house of Lords debates, but that's right, isn't it?

GingerIvy · 26/10/2015 20:05

Wasn't the extension of free childcare already stopped? I seem to recall reading there wasn't funding for it.

LuisSuarezTeeth · 26/10/2015 20:05

Woooooooooooooo!!!!!!!

Shutthatdoor · 26/10/2015 20:04

They won't need to put it through again in three years, will they? They just need to agree a transitional period as that everyone who currently claims had three years warning and support.

Any new claimants will still be on the new rates from April.

The tories will probably slash them a bit more now that they are giving people notice.

Exactly.

I bet the extention of free childcare is also stopped too.

claig · 26/10/2015 20:04

If Osborne had not used a statutory bill and had gone through the Finance Bill instead, then the HOL would not have been able to vote on it.

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Fantasyland · 26/10/2015 20:03

Bubbles yes I hope people stand up for other things too.

There has been a lot of attention to the tax credit cuts and people taking a stand but not as much attention on the deaths of people being found fit to work and then dying.

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claig · 26/10/2015 20:02

According to Sky, 8 out of 10 Tory voters don't agree with the cuts.

Bubblesinthesummer · 26/10/2015 20:02

Always have Bubblesinthesummer always will!

I agree. I just hope people fight as hard to stop it probably won't though

AnchorDownDeepBreath · 26/10/2015 20:02

They won't need to put it through again in three years, will they? They just need to agree a transitional period as that everyone who currently claims had three years warning and support.

Any new claimants will still be on the new rates from April.

The tories will probably slash them a bit more now that they are giving people notice.

PetitPiaf · 26/10/2015 20:01

I think backbenchers will rebel if this is put up again, so it might be dropped. (Thanks to Jacob R-M's pedantry for parliamentary standards)

But they'll find something else to go after... They always do.

claig · 26/10/2015 20:01

Sky said that if Osborne had not gone through secondary instrument he wouldn't have had this problem. Apparently he could have included it in another bill - Finance Bill - I think. Don't know why he didn't. Maybe he couldn't get it through that way.

Funinthesun15 · 26/10/2015 20:01

They will just go after other groups instead.

KatharineClifton · 26/10/2015 20:01

Always have Bubblesinthesummer always will!

NapoleonsNose · 26/10/2015 20:00

Stick that in yer' pipes and fucking smoke it Gideon and Cameron

Shutthatdoor · 26/10/2015 19:59

So those claiming TC now are ok. Those that need to claim them from next year won't be.

Hardly fair Hmm

Rebecca2014 · 26/10/2015 19:58

It is unlikely Tories will push this through again in 3 years time, remember this will be nearer to the election. I hope this will severely damage the Tories reputation and people remember.

GingerIvy · 26/10/2015 19:58

From what I've seen, there are quite a few MPs that wouldn't vote this through again. Realistically even if they reformed the HoLs, wouldn't it need to get past the MPs again first before it comes before the HoLs?