English Votes for English Laws

Soooooo comrade claig and blacksunday, with nothing to ADD to the subject of English Votes for English Laws I have been addressing, but have their own agenda, join the gagging/presentation gang - kel (fecking) suprize Rodney.

If the board had to rely on your own partisan input, Mumsnet News/Politics could be bottled as a cure for insomnia.

Oooohhhhh burrnnnnnn

'Thankfully I have a very thick skin and can bite back'

So does a bull in a china shop, but would be equally out of place in an educated discussion forum where posters want to discuss politics and have a bit of a laugh about Piggate as well.

It's patently obvious that you think you are clever, but there seems to be a huge disconnect, because I have yet to find anyone else who does, not even your mother.

It is not a wrestling match, it's a discussion, and a bit of humour is much appreciated to keep it light and friendly.

Isitmebut, no one has asked you to stop posting, all they are asking (and begging and pleading) is that you do so without such diatribes that put many posters off reading your posts and contributing to threads in case they are met with a barrage of baloney in bold highlighting in response, which doesn't answer what they asked, ignores their contribution and praises the Conservative cabinet when that is not the topic of discussion.

Basically chill out a bit, and contribute in a more friendly fashion.

P.S. Little gangs hounding other posters will always turn more posters off, more than someone spending time to formulate and present the facts in a post as they see them.

Thankfully I have a very thick skin and can bite back, otherwise this little 'font' of common sense would end up like a little wallflower, and even be scared to read Mumsnet posts, never mind contribute.

GiddyOnZackHunt .... "You can assume what you like."

Thankfully I don't have to assume much, you're like an open book.

Lemonfizzypop ... as I said, there are loads of posts/threads I don't get involved on, so knock yourself out on those.

FYI there are loads of posts/posters that get on my tits, but it seems for those trying to blank out opinions they don't like, its my underling, its my bold, my post makes no sense am I English, my sentencing is badly structured, my granma is a problem, I'm too partisan, yada, yada, yada.

As it will help, I'll concentrate on the more political posts, especially the misleading ones - and start posts on Conservative policies and the economic, financial, jobs results since 2010 - rather than defend them with facts from the rollocks written on here.

I rather not, I didn't even do that at General Election times, but people want to 'politically chat', they can join me on there, I'll even use less Mumsnet 'Emphasis' tools. It will be happy days, all over again.

You can assume what you like.

GiddyOnZackHunt ... which is your choice and we have to assume you had something to say that couldn't be said because the 'big bad underliner' is on the post. Lame.

Same, sorry isitme but your posting style IS offputting, people want to talk and exchange views not read reams of text and links from you, I know that you're trying to inform people but it's such a bombarding way of doing things. It stops any flow of discussion on a thread, imo.

"Literally the only point you've even attempted to respond to involves boundaries, the changes to which again benefit the Tories on top of the fact they're the only party which doesn't tend to rely on any MPs outside England to deliver majorities on votes."

I have responded to most of the points you made, but you just don't like my answers.

Re the above, apparently I'm the one whose 'totes' being unreasonable, but you can't even begin to see that electoral boundaries in England have been unfair to the Conservatives for a very long time, yet why that should be so - and in ensuring that all MPs have a similar sized constituency they represent, its a change that automatically benefits the Tories (currently at a disadvantage) when seats change party hands.

So the ones who want a separate 'English Parliament', I reiterate, are happy that they roar as loud for their 566 English constituencies for extra powers and a bigger piece of the UK pie, as the Scottish Westminster MPs (56 being SNP) currently roars for theirs. Got it, it could catch on.

No they're not. Precisely because when I saw you had posted I didn't want to get involved.

........and yet your views on a post on 'English Votes on English Laws' started last Thursday are not here, until a little gang was formed.

I agree with JeffreysMummy.
I love a nice chat and a bit of a row about politics.

P.S. Has it ever occurred to you that some may not post/reply, because they agree with me, even on what was seen as a very left wing board with several rather nasty 'close down the non believer posters' bullies? Spooky, huh.

CrossMummy ... As I've explained above, based on the content and bullying by numerous other posters, to say I'm responsible, is frankly bollocks (and I so wanted to underline & bold that).

Firstly, whether here or on the News, there are more posts that I don't participate on, than ones I do.

Next, if within a post I want to emphasis salient points for those who may not to read the whole thing, I do so, using the Mumsnet 'Emphasis' features provided - I am not 'importing' unfair features - maybe if others HAD a salient point or two rather than a general rant, they'd use it to.

Your "actual engagement" means from what I've seen is around one hundred posts of 'he said, she said', or requesting facts, while I cut to the the chase - as its much harder to bullsquirt/add propaganda when a poster lays out their (often qualified) views for all that disagree to reply to - rather than having pages of confusion (with a subliminal message), which suits the agenda of many on here.

This thread is about 'English Votes for English Laws', which I feel very strong about and even started threads on over the past few years, but I can see why some would not want my opinion on it, whether underlined, bold, or plain naked.

Isitmebut - it surely hasn't escaped your notice that only about three people use the Politics board now. I am sure that I am not the only person who has been driven away by your disruptive posting style. Just to be clear - this has nothing whatsoever to do with your political views. But it has everything to do with the way that you post - the underlining and bolding, which gives the impression of shouting. The length of your posts, which give the impression of an ideological rant, often with little reference to previous posts, but intended primarily to slate your political opposition. The same uncritical party-political line trotted out at every opportunity. All this has turned this board into little more than an outlet for your extensive political rantings, when once it was a decent forum for debate - yes, people disagreed, but there was actual engagement with each other and a proper discussion (of a sort). If the intention of your posting has been to stifle debate by killing off every thread on this board then, well done, goal accomplished. I can guarantee you have only driven people away, though, rather than converting them to your viewpoint.

I repeat, this has nothing to do with your right-wing views. I would be saying exactly the same thing if you were a fervent Marxist posting in the same manner.

"I'm not a rah-rah Labour supporter"

More a 'ha-ha' supporter, often posting with very sick titles e.g. "Tories f***g kids", that the Labour movement if had any sense would distance themself from IT, rather than the other way around.

I wonder if titles like that, and the ability not to add "Tory scum" on most of its post puts off posters on here who might have the audacity not to agree with its propaganda drops?

blacksunday ... for you to complain about me and my posts, is bordering on the psychotic. IMO

Based on the two way discussion that we WERE having, including the change within the SNP since the Independence vote, my opinions are factual not rude, whether people like them or not.

I would say 20 posts with disgusting pig ignorant language on the politics board, started about Cameron with and that stupid book/comment the authors are distancing themselves from, put MORE posters off this forum than someone putting balance/facts forward to an often unbalanced set of post(er)s ..... blacksunday, you know who you are. lol

People on the street and on social media have complained about the aggression and tactics of the pro Scottish independence 'Storm Troopers' (which is collective, no mention of the SNP there) - where if you don't see their way, there's no way.

When they try to ban those from boards those not 'on blind socialism or SNP support message' rather than take on the points being made on how self centred, nay boorish their politicians in Westminster have become (to the 50-odd million in the UK not in their target audience) - you know that your own opinions are on track.

Interesting.

ThroughThickAndThin01-

You've got a flaming cheek complaining about that blacksunday because that is you in reverse.

Actually, no I don't. I certainly do criticise the Tory scum, because they're the party in government. I'm not a rah-rah Labour supporter. I thought New Labour under Tony Blair was odious, and I hope to see him tried for war crimes in the Hague.

If you've complained to 'mumsnet' about this, then I'm going to do the same about you.

Good! Please do so. What I've complained about is the need to have an 'ignore poster' option. If you find my posts annoying or disruptive, then I encourage you to put me on your personal 'ignore posts' lists, should that feature ever be implemented.

Their sole purpose is to make the Tories look as good as possible and Labour as bad as possible

You've got a flaming cheek complaining about that blacksunday because that is you in reverse.

If you've complained to 'mumsnet' about this, then I'm going to do the same about you.

It's hardly a discussion forum any more, just a ranting ideologue talking to themself. A shame, because there used to be interesting discussions here.

Actually I think the name calling has a lot to do with that. Many posters say they don't want to post because they will get pounced upon.

The recent threads show this more and more.

I stopped arguing with Isitmebut a long time ago. I realised they absolutely no interest in honest debate or discussion.

They were dishonest, disingenuous, and manipulative. Their sole purpose is to make the Tories look as good as possible and Labour as bad as possible, using propaganda from Tory party HQ.

It's not worth trying to engage with it. Don't it. Not only are you wasting your own time, but your helping him to defecate on and disrupt all the threads.

I have already complained to Mumsnet about this, and suggested they implemented a poster-level 'ignore' feature where individual posters and choose to ignore other individual posters so that they won't appear on their newsfeed.

I suggest other people do the same.