Will changes to tax credits prove to be Osbournes Poll Tax?

But changes to business rates might. It looks like the teenage whizzkids have been let loose on business rate policy and if teenage party apparatchiks start raising business rates in poorer areas because there is no more redistribution from rich areas to poor areas then businesses may start complaining and poorer areas' residents may be left worse off thank to teenage whizzkid schemes.

"George Osborne's plan to snatch business rate grants from poorest councils slammed as 'race to the bottom'

The 'devolution revolution' means grants which pumped extra money into poor towns will be axed"

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/george-osbornes-plan-snatch-business-6577258

No, because the majority are not affected whereas with the poll tax, everyone was in the same boat.

Not the majority, but many many working people will be thousands of pounds worse off because of the rescinding of tax credits:

www.scriptonitedaily.com/2015/10/05/jeremy-hunt-sums-up-the-tory-agenda-for-britain-in-a-single-sentence/

claig ... DON'T start me on the weather.

'Red sky in the morning .......' lol

'Errr ... the date "FROM" and "TO" gives it away'

No, your poster name gives it away. Of course it's to do with Labour's record as every one of your posts is, no matter if the subject is the weather or cup cakes.

Are those figures about Labour or Osborne?

Errr ... the date "FROM" and "TO" gives it away ...please pay attention.

I hate to say "Claig is right".

But Claid is right.

Labour are screwed if they believe that there is a political market in complaining, as a major plank in the platform, about bedroom tax and tax credits. It just doesn't affect enough people, and very few of those that are affected are swing voters in marginals. On the other hand, there are a lot of voters, including historic Labour voters in marginals, for whom the Tory "shirkers vs strivers" narrative, awful though it is, resonates. So to continue Ed's mistake and make this a major campaigning point is electoral self-immolation: it doesn't get votes we need (people who voted Tory or didn't vote last time but might return to Labour in marginal seats) while gaining vast piles of votes that make no difference (people in Labour safe seats).

Gideon is wrong on this, and he's wrong for the same reason as Gordon Brown was wrong over the abolition of the 10p rate: he believe that an individual family whose finances are hit by it will be happy because their neighbour, in similar but not exactly the same circumstances, is better off. I doesn't work like that, and the distribution of the outcomes matters as much as average. But as an electoral issue, it just doesn't affect sufficient swing voters in marginal seats; the poll tax did, which was its downfall.

Are those figures about Labour or Osborne?

I think that if the poor are worse off after every tax cut from 2010 and will be so after the rises in the Minimum Wage, it will go down like a political cup of cold sick - but Osborne has a Budget next April to correct it.

The Poll Tax, like the Bedroom Tax (designed to free up bedrooms for 5 million queuing for social housing) was not so bad really, as its main purpose was to have a household pay council rates per person in the household - but became a political cause for the left to rally behind.

As if the COST of Council services was the real issue, surely with these rises in its English replacement, with the annual rises and direction of travel, there would have been mass demonstrations every year.

Total Council Tax increases Band D from 1997/8 to 2009/10

North East……...£782 to £1,479 an increase of 89%

North West…......£798 to £1,441 an increase of 81%

East Midlands…..£705 to £1,454 an increase of 106%

West Midlands…..£701 to £1,388 an increase of 98%

Yorks/Humber…..£710 to £1,380 an increase of 99%

London………..…£651 to £1,308 an increase of 101%

East of England...£639 to £1,450 an increase of 127%

South East……...£641 to £1,437 an increase of 124%

South West……..£667 to £1,1462 an increase of 119%

No because of the reasons given by claig

No, because the majority are not affected whereas with the poll tax, everyone was in the same boat.

With poll tax people could protest by not paying. Ultimately thats why it was abolished so quickly.

With tax credits whats the recourse?