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How will Corbyn fund nationalising the Railways, higher taxes?

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Isitmebut · 23/09/2015 09:45

To my knowledge the old British Rail was not annually making money.

We currently have record investment going into the railways, but Mr Corbyn appears to believe that under State ownership, the UK with £1.6 trillion of National debt and an unfunded pension liability of around £1 trillion on top, can put onto the State/taxpayer the risks/costs of acquiring rail lines, funding all investment and running them - when the State has a piss poor record of this.

I can understand why Corbyn and the public sector trade unions might want to do this, as its jobs for the boys and (unlike factories that closed in the 1970's) every time you 'sit around a table' you always get what you want whether the company is making a honking great loss or not - but how is it in the interests of the taxpayer with such an open liability, when the UK has such a huge national debt and still spending more than we earn?

Corbyn says it is a popular policy, but when will we hear how ££££ financially viable it is???

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HamaTime · 24/09/2015 17:40

The East Coast Mainline was profit making when in was in public hands.

squidzin · 24/09/2015 17:34

QE has upsides which do not include ever increasing prosperity for the wealthiest top centile.
Which do not include breadlining everyone else.

squidzin · 24/09/2015 17:30

Victorjames "where we just print money and there are no downsides" I suggest you read up on QE vs Private sector Bailout and see if you spot any downsides...

CLUE: Austerity.

wonkylegs · 24/09/2015 17:05

I always think it's ridiculous that our countries assets have been sold off to other countries state run companies (Dutch, French & German state rail companies run parts of our rail network, Canada - water, France & Spain - electricity/gas) - if they can make it work and make a profit out of it why is it completely out of the realms of possibility that the UK state could do it?

roamer2 · 24/09/2015 16:48

We have the highest ticket prices in Europe. My train ticket to work has more than doubled since 2010

Our railways are now owned by foreign companies e.g. the national german rail company so our ticket prices are going to improve the german railways. Which is very good if you live in Germany... Also a bus company but I don't feel that it is going into the buses so our ticket prices are making money for bus company shareholders many of whom I suspect already have a lot of money..

I feel there must be a better system which would lead to cross country trains having sufficient carriages for their customers and not only selling nestle chocolate etc...

VictorJames · 24/09/2015 16:37

I can't imagine enough people would ever vote for him so not too worried. He lives on a planet where we just print money and there are no downsides.

Isitmebut · 24/09/2015 16:33

"It comes as shadow transport secretary Lilian Greenwood said Labour would nationalise the railway system - including HS2."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34341352

But yet ANOTHER personal policy flip-flop once leader.

"Speaking about new Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn - who has previously voted against HS2 legislation - she added: "He supports high-speed rail, I support high-speed rail, and the Labour Party supports the continued development of HS2."

Like Labour saying they'd nationalise the power companies when we needed their money to buy several nuclear reactors at around £10 billion a pop - commercially clueless.

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Isitmebut · 24/09/2015 11:02

Unfortunately Corbyn’s ‘crap sprouting’ on trying to get a deeply indebted State/taxpayer to nationalise, invest in and run the UK railways with financial details given that would fit on the back of a match book, together with other 1970’s socialist threats/twaddle – can seriously affect the UK’s growth and prospects BEFORE he gets anywhere near power.

With the High Speed 2 (HS2,3,4 etc) project to better link the north to the south and then inter the northern cities in order to help promote better economic regional growth – the ongoing threat of the big hand of the State one day coming in either seizing or underpaying for rail lines, it will discourage private investment in this project – so as the UK looking for investment NOW, Corbyn has to give his State Nationalisation funding details now, as what will change by 2020?

Labour under Ed Balls running finances was both procrastinating and politicking about giving the go ahead, while a UKIP that wanted to electrify three new train lines in their 2010 manifesto, decided to then oppose HS2, no doubt as ‘the wrong type of electrified track’.

24/9/15; Osborne Invites Bidding For HS2 Building Work
news.sky.com/story/1557749/osborne-invites-bidding-for-hs2-building-work

”The official construction process for Britain's new high speed rail system has now begun, with the Chancellor opening the bidding for companies to begin building the railway line.”

”In an exclusive interview with Sky News, George Osborne revealed that companies would now be able to bid for the right to build the rail routes and tunnels for the first phase of High Speed Two, linking London and Birmingham.”

We don’t need to wait for one day to appoint some expensive socialist government Quango for them to report back in 3-years with the details of how it will cost the taxpayer a fortune and then be under funded thereafter, as they find another fat welfare state to fund - lets get it going.

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SilverOldie2 · 23/09/2015 20:22

Fortunately I doubt it matters really since his chance of winning a GE are miniscule non-existent. So he can continue to spout crap knowing he will never actually have to deal with the reality. Phew.

squidzin · 23/09/2015 11:04

Give him a fucking day or two. Jeez...