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Free school lunches scrapped as children pay price for causing recession

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blacksunday · 21/09/2015 09:49

BRITAIN’S infants will finally be made to pay for causing the financial crash of 2008.

Free school lunches are expected to be scrapped later this year as chancellor George Osborne punishes children for engineering the credit crunch by trading in high-risk, sub-prime mortgages.

He said: “By removing their free mash potato and lukewarm peas we send a strong message that free markets only succeed when managed responsibly.

“These children threatened the livelihoods of thousands of innocent merchant bankers who just want to be happy.”

Six year-old Tom Booker admitted: “The party’s over. In retrospect, it was wrong of me to claim free lunches at the taxpayers’ expense while running a Dubai-based hedge fund.

“Luckily, I’ve accumulated about £8 million in emerging market tech stocks so I should be able to afford a sad little hotdog and a box of Ribena.”

www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/society/free-school-lunches-scrapped-as-children-pay-price-for-causing-recession-20150921102109

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Isitmebut · 21/09/2015 12:30

Hoppinggreen ... thank you.

Re means testing, do we know if schools already means test every parent, or would this mean the time consuming, costly red tape, and every parent sending in a single/joint P60 into the school every year?

sliceofsoup · 21/09/2015 12:30

The satire is irrelevant, as this is actually being discussed widely at the minute.

I am confused OP. How is removing school meals for all children, but keeping the means testing meaning that the children in poverty are losing out?

I live in NI. We never had universal school meals. We do have FSM for households with an income under ÂŁ16190. That income doesn't take into account tax credits, child benefit or housing benefit. A couple with two children on one wage of ÂŁ13k would have a take home income per year of over ÂŁ20k once all the benefits are taken into account. That family would also be eligible for FSM. I cannot see how that income is seen as poverty.

Single parents on income support, or part time wages will also be eligible for FSM.

I am not sure why we would be arguing to keep FSM for children of parents on decent incomes. It should only go to those who need it.

blacksunday · 21/09/2015 12:27

Do you think the Tories are likely to replace blanket free meals for public school children with means tested meals, or do you think this argument that it is 'inefficient' is just a cover to scrap the whole idea?

I mean, it's not like the Tories already haven't made thousands of people homeless, or increased foodbank usage several fold, or killed thousands of disabled people or anything.

It's not like they would have any scruples about taking away meals for children whose parents can't afford to feed them.

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Isitmebut · 21/09/2015 12:26

I luv the Tories, but was very sceptical about the Lib Dems, but in a society that appears to want the schools to take over basic parenting duties i.e. toilet training and ensuring at least ONE decent meal a day, it was a good idea as a breakfast does set a 'human bean' up for the day.

Hoppinggreen · 21/09/2015 12:23

isitme it's free lunch for all children in Reception up until year 2, so 3 years worth.
Even for children with wealthy parents

Hoppinggreen · 21/09/2015 12:20

There must be a better way to help the 1/3 of children in poverty than to give free meals to the other 2/3 as well who don't need them.

TheFairyCaravan · 21/09/2015 12:19

I loathe the Tories but this was a ridiculous idea in the first place.

Isitmebut · 21/09/2015 12:11

In the interests of facts over fiction - and I can't be arsed to look it up - the blanket coalition free meals, is this just some form of breakfast to start the day, or does it include free lunches/dinners?

blacksunday · 21/09/2015 12:11

ReallyTired-

Firstly, the rich tend to put their children in private schools.

Secondly, 25K is below the second poorest decile for a family with two children:

www.theguardian.com/money/2014/mar/25/uk-incomes-how-salary-compare

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ReallyTired · 21/09/2015 12:01

It might make more sense to raise the free school dinner threshold to 23K and not give free school meals to the rich.

Isitmebut · 21/09/2015 11:55

"Did you miss the part about 1/3rd of children living in poverty?"

What (joint) income level in the UK is the cut off point for a child living in poverty, ÂŁ23k, what is it now, and is it family means tested i.e. how much a family spends on alcohol, tobacco, technology, expensive but bad nutritional fast foods, SKY/BT TV packages etc?

Knicker bunching aside, no policy to deprive poor school children of meals HAS been announced.

blacksunday · 21/09/2015 11:37

Hopping-

The left wing will love it though as it will give them " Tories starve school children" type headlines. It wasn't an issue before they were free

Also, you realise this policy was set up under the coalition, and nobody is forcing the Tories to cut school meals for children.

It's hardly and sort of 'trap'. If the Tories don't want to deprive poor school kids of meals, they could simply not scrap the policy.

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blacksunday · 21/09/2015 11:29

The left wing will love it though as it will give them " Tories starve school children" type headlines. It wasn't an issue before they were free

Um, yes it was. Did you miss the part about 1/3rd of children living in poverty?

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Hoppinggreen · 21/09/2015 11:08

Bringing them in was a shit idea anyway, pushed through by Nick clogged as a supposed " vote winner" so I don't have any problem with them being withdrawn.
The left wing will love it though as it will give them " Tories starve school children" type headlines. It wasn't an issue before they were free

starlight2007 · 21/09/2015 11:07

What else would you like to be considered for cuts

MP pay and expenses

blacksunday · 21/09/2015 11:07

Well, we could get rid of the House of Lords subsidies, the Monarchy, Trident, corporate subsidies, and then claim the tens of billions of pounds in tax evaded or avoided by multinationals in the UK.

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Isitmebut · 21/09/2015 11:06

Black Sunday ... Apart from the fact that the American Sub Prime crisis, lending to the poorest American's in society via financing methods that has existed since the 1930's has had NOTHING to Labour's handing or our banks or massively increased government spending FINANCED by a financial bubble that burst - should you not wait for ANY announcement by the government before getting your ignorant gasted, all blabbered?

Quite how much it would cost to MEANS TEST every child before feeding them, I believe the POINT of not means testing is that every child is treated the same - with no different treatment/poor queues etc.

starlight2007 · 21/09/2015 11:05

I read it was the daily mash.. however it has been stated in many other papers free school meals are likely to be removed in spending review November

Scarydinosaurs · 21/09/2015 11:03

Did people not read that it was daily mash? Baffled by the first comments.

If 1/3 is in poverty then 1/3 needs to be free. In a cashless system there is no need for other children to know who has the FSM to remove the stigma.

However, it is typical that after schools have huge costs in equipping themselves with kitchens to be able to provide the meals, it then all gets pulled.

ReallyTired · 21/09/2015 11:00

The daily mash is funny, however universal free school meals an issue.

Here is a more serious article.

www.independent.co.uk/news/education/education-news/free-school-meals-for-infants-set-to-be-scrapped-under-osbornes-spending-review-10509664.html

With so many cuts I think it's understandable that universal free school meals are looked at. What else would you like to be considered for cuts. Pupil to teacher ratio? Budgets for Sen kids. We have to look what is nice to have and what us essential.

blacksunday · 21/09/2015 10:56

slice-

Nearly 1 in 3 children in the UK lives in poverty.

Seeing as free school meals are often the only nutritious meals that millions of children get every day, what is your argument that free school means are not money well spent?

You're suggesting meals should be means tested, even with this staggeringly large amount of poverty?

Even when the cost of these measures - which will ensure children are able to study at school and help them remain healthy, thus drastically lowering costs in the long run to the economy due to having educated healthy adults - amount to just over a half billion pounds, out of a budget of ÂŁ672 Billion pounds?

I'm sorry, but I fail to see the justification for repeatedly making the poorest and most vulnerable pay for the financial crisis caused by gambling Capitalists.

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starlight2007 · 21/09/2015 10:56

crossed post completely agree really tired

starlight2007 · 21/09/2015 10:55

To be honest I never agreed with free school meals for all..I personally think the thing that needs to happen is FSM for people on a low income not only those on benefits.

I can personally afford to pay for school dinners I would support those who can't to have a dinner and it would support the it pays to work as well.

tribpot · 21/09/2015 10:54

I think posters must have only read the first few lines of the OP and not realised that the satire was more obvious towards the end of it:

Six year-old Tom Booker admitted: “The party’s over. In retrospect, it was wrong of me to claim free lunches at the taxpayers’ expense while running a Dubai-based hedge fund.

Very amusing article, with a serious point.

2madboys · 21/09/2015 10:52

Er - you do know that Daily Mash is a spoof site?! Hmm