'but Corbyn wants 'open borders' and not immigration control, the one thing that does unite the 4 million who voted for UKIP at the last election was the need to control immigration, if Corbyn wants more mass immigration and no border controls surely he is the antipathy of what UKIP voters want? '
Yes, but you have to look at the immigration issue and ask why so much discontent now and not in 2006 when Blair and the band let in hundreds of thousands of EU citizens seeking work. What has happened is that the people - and specifically UKIP voters, 4 million - have had enough of how we are governed in many different ways. They are sick of this ruling class of out of touch metropolitan elite luvvies who are politically correct idiots and who are wasting public money on foreign aid and their own favourite charidees and are not solving housing, employment or anthying serious. So they have hit back at the metropolitan spinners in the most politically incorrect way they know how - complaining about immigration, which everyone knows is not allowed by the Establishment and the media. So the people have broken that barrier and the metropolitan elite had to listen. But of course they can't do anything, they can't change anything on housing, employment or immigration, but there will be more charidees and higher salaries for the metropolitan luvvies who work in the "third sector", funded to a large extent by the taxpayer.
The majority of the people think there iis too much immigration, but they thought that in 2005 and 2006 etc. What has changed is that now they are fed up of our governing class and that is why UKIP toppled the LibDems and became our 3rd largest party even though a lot of the UKIP spokespeople are not the sharpest tools in the box. People don't care, they have had enough - not just over immigration, but of our entire useless elite.
Now along comes Corbyn and if the Establishment is unable to stop him, then he will nationalise industries, lower prices, bring down housing costs, build more homes, provide more employment, scrap zero-hour contracts, bring in free childcare and improve the NHS. Millions of ordinary people will benefit and be very grateful. Immigration will slip down the list of their priorities. They will go back to 2005 and 2006.
Corbyn won't bring in open borders, because there will be some commonsense union types - the Len McCluskeys - who will advise against it.
UKIP voters say immigration is their main concern on the doorstep, but it isn't really, it is the lack of prospects, lack of a good future and disillusion at the class who are ruining our country. When those problems are fixed, immigration will recede as their main concern.
' IMO whoever gets in nothing changes, sorry it does, but only for the worse!'
This is where Corbyn is different. If he gets in, there will be huge changes. That is why all the PPEs, Blair, the great and the good are desperately trying to stop Corbyn. Corbyn is not a PPE, he is for real and he will change things and make thngs better for ordinary people.
If Corbyn loses the Labour leadership, then Labour really are finished and UKIP will grow. The Tories themselves are on borrowed time. The only thing that saved them is our unfair unrepresentative electoral system. PR voting will have to come in eventually because the people are not being properly represented. When it comes in, the Tories are finished and the battle will be betwenn UKIP and Corbyn.
Corbyn will win it because he does have a wider vision which has the courage to nationalise industry, tax the rich, tax the coorporations, hopefully tax the charidees and the luvvies in them, and provide employment and cheaper homes. Farage will go half way there, but he can't match Corbyn because he is a former Tory and has ex-Tory financial backers who won't let him compete with Corbyn and the unions.
I prefer Farage's commonsense, but Corbyn will solve more of the country's problems.