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Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

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Myturnnow4 · 12/08/2015 15:53

I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

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squidzin · 12/08/2015 16:13

Jeezus Christ supporter of Hamas??

Myturnnow4 · 12/08/2015 16:12

...beginning with: Alastair Campbell says "Anyone But Corbyn". I heard an interview with him and thought exactly the same thing.

One argument has been that it will make Labour unelectable Yes, this would seem a valid argument. However, the interest and support that he's generated would appear to argue against that.

Because the chances of Prime Minister Corbyn in 2020 are approximately zero. Another good argument, but perhaps the influence of him just as a leader for a year or two would be good reason enough. Him as leader is the first reason I've had to even reconsider voting Labour again. It makes me think, "hmm, perhaps the party does represent my views?".

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squidzin · 12/08/2015 16:12

He could and should win an election.

Isitmebut · 12/08/2015 16:12

Why don't you read all the other Mumsnet posts/threads on here and the News Board, or are you hoping for different answers?

Charis1 · 12/08/2015 16:11

He needs to make it crystal clear that he does not support Hamas before he can be considered to have any sort of place in British politics.

Hamas are a terrorist organisation dedicated to the death of every Jew on the planet, and their definition of " Jew" includes almost the entire world population including Corbyn himself.

It would be inconceivable for the labour party to be lead by someone who calls Hamas "friends", or who refuses to not support the IRA.

TendonQueen · 12/08/2015 16:08

It is the 'won't win an election' thing. I think he seems like a decent bloke. Lots of people think he'll bring out all the non voters who want a more left wing alternative. I'm doubtful that that's the reason why all the non voters haven't been voting.

Pneumometer · 12/08/2015 16:06

Because the chances of Prime Minister Corbyn in 2020 are approximately zero. An election campaign fought by a 71 year old man whose politics have been repeatedly rejected at the ballot box by the UK electorate, with five years of age shift meaning that the electoral influence of the baby boomers, who are mostly fairly comfortably off, will be at its absolute peak.

A focused, united Tory Party, led by a 49 year old George Osborne (most likely), versus a grey-haired pensioner who gets rattled by being chucked soft ones on C4 News? C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre: c'est de la folie.

Corbyn is wildly popular on twitter, amongst people of whom there aren't many and they don't vote anyway. Examples of campaigns that were wildly popular on twitter: AV and Scottish Independence. Remind me how those votes turned out?

The best Corbyn could do would be to stack up larger majorities in what are already safe Labour seats, plus (possibly) winning a few Lab/Tory marginals. That's not enough to form a government, assuming (as is likely) that the SNP don't implode in fratricidal killings in the next five years.

I have some sympathy with Corbyn's policies in the abstract, I voted Labour in 1983 so I'm one of the people that a similar set of policies didn't alienate and I don't necessarily see policies of the left as inherently impossible. But the reality of an Osborne/Corbyn general election in 2020 will be five more years of Tory misrule, and if you really care about the vulnerable, rather than wanting Labour as a talking shop, a compromised Labour government that can do some good is infinitely preferable to a pure Labour opposition that can do nothing.

Awholelottanosy · 12/08/2015 16:02

One argument has been that it will make Labour unelectable, citing previous leaders such as Michael Foot. However, these are different times and a lot of young people have no memory of those days and to them, his ideas seem pretty radical!

didyouwritethe · 12/08/2015 15:56

...beginning with: Alastair Campbell says "Anyone But Corbyn"....

didyouwritethe · 12/08/2015 15:55

I could give you ten million reasons why he should be...