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Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

710 replies

Myturnnow4 · 12/08/2015 15:53

I've listened to people argue this, but haven't heard a reasoned argument yet. The main criticism appears to be, "he's on the left" but don't go on to explain why that in itself is a bad thing.

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merrymouse · 13/08/2015 09:07

It's very difficult to know what the Labour Party stand for. They have offered very little opposition to the conservatives at a time when the Tories could only govern in coalition.

Corbyn may split the Labour Party, but many people must be wondering why that would be a problem.

If any of the other candidates were electable they wouldn't be challenged by Corbyn.

squidzin · 13/08/2015 09:04

Jewish Chronicle trying to smear Corbyn related.
liberalconspiracy.org/2012/04/23/how-the-jewish-chronicle-is-trying-to-smear-jeremy-corbyn-mp/

Pneumometer · 13/08/2015 09:00

We want political parties with real beliefs and real and clear aims.

The music was good in 1983, too.

Shame about the largest Labour defeat in the post-war era, though. There was no lack of real beliefs and clear aims there: unilateral nuclear disarmament, withdrawal from both the EEC and NATO, mass nationalisation. I wonder why people rejected it?

Where does Corbyn stand on the EU, by the way? He campaigned in the 1980s to leave.

squidzin · 13/08/2015 09:00

But there are plenty of articles out there

squidzin · 13/08/2015 08:59

Mentions it in this one about 1/2 down
m.huffpost.com/uk/entry/7788826

squidzin · 13/08/2015 08:56

SomethingFunny. Spot on.

Bubblesinthesummer · 13/08/2015 08:54

Yes he has also had peace talks with the Israelis.
How can you discuss peace with only one side?

Do you have any links at all where he has specifically spoken to Israeli leaders/representatives?

squidzin · 13/08/2015 08:54

Corbyn criticizes Cameron for bring too militant re Calais but admits it's complicated

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-on-the-calais-crisis-do-we-deal-with-it-militarily-or-on-the-basis-that-were-all-human-beings-10436745.html

SomethingFunny · 13/08/2015 08:54

The Labour Party (and all other political parties) need to forget about "this will make us electable/unelectable" and focus on what they actually believe in.

THIS is where they went wrong in the last election- no one wants to vote for a party chasing votes which changes its mind about what it believes in on a whim. Where you don't know where they stand and their only real aim is 'to get elected'. We want political parties with real beliefs and real and clear aims. The electorate needs a choice about who to vote for and parties that believe in things. Vote Chasing is what looses votes IMO.

squidzin · 13/08/2015 08:49

Bubblesinsummer
Yes he has also had peace talks with the Israelis.
How can you discuss peace with only one side?

YeOldeTrout · 13/08/2015 08:34

Not a master of spin is our man Jeremy, is he?
Has JC said anything about the immigrants at Calais?

Bubblesinthesummer · 13/08/2015 08:31

He handled an interview badly with Stephen Nolan the other night (terrorism related) & that plays on my mind

That was a bad interview, and the first time he was pressed on anything like that, in depth.

Isitmebut · 13/08/2015 08:31

Corbyn stuck in the 1970's only 'engages' using old socialist mantras youngster now think are 'new', when those ideas/policies not only failed in the 1970's - the memory of those 1970's to people like me back then in my 20's thinking there was no future for the UK - then kept Labour out of power for 18-years.

This is not a 'scare story' from a Conservative voter who would luv to see Corbyn elected and see Labour's have daily internal bun fights competing with the Chimps Tea Party at Whipsnade Zoo, it is modern history, LOOK IT UP.

YeOldeTrout · 13/08/2015 08:27

Gosh, why so many ridiculous statements. There are plenty solid reasons to not vote for JC without making weird stuff up. Confused

I love his passion, and he's the only candidate talking about the environment. But these are a few reasons I won't be voting for him.

He's a serial rebel against his own party & won't command loyalty or discipline.

I don't agree with free tuition fees (it's a very regressive policy that benefits the affluent far more than the poor).

If you look at the balance in the world of who has Nukes, Britain is one of the few good guys, I don't want one of the few Good Guys to stop having nukes (so I want Britain to keep Trident).

The Living Wage idea is flawed because it will choke the economy (sorry). I like a minimum wage concept but the LW is scary if you understand economics. I like the staggered youth minimum wage because it helps kids like mine get first jobs.

He handled an interview badly with Stephen Nolan the other night (terrorism related) & that plays on my mind.

Bubblesinthesummer · 13/08/2015 08:23

He wants to open discourse on how to begin bringing peace to the Palestinians and Isreal and other extreme fanctions in the Middle East.

So has he 'met' with anyone from Israel then or just Hamas!?

I seriously think that meeting the IRA in parliament a couple of weeks after the bombing was, if I was being generous, misguided. People lost loved ones, Co workers. Whatever your political views are it wasn't the best timing.

squidzin · 13/08/2015 08:17

RaisinGirls he does engage just not to Tabloid Journalism type accusations. Corbyn "engaging and responding" is all over the internet but you need to look past the anti-Corbyn establishment press.

squidzin · 13/08/2015 08:13

He founded the Stop The war coalition and was one of the few Labour MPs to vocally oppose Blair's illegal war on Iraq.

squidzin · 13/08/2015 08:09

*factions

squidzin · 13/08/2015 08:01

If anyone needs it clarified once again...

Corbyn is a Pacifist he does not want anyone to be killed.

He wants to open discourse on how to begin bringing peace to the Palestinians and Isreal and other extreme fanctions in the Middle East.

"Friends" as an introduction to negotiate peace.

RaisinGirls · 13/08/2015 07:48

Some interesting questions posed by the Jewish Chronicle here. www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/142144/the-key-questions-jeremy-corbyn-must-answer - and even more interesting that Corbyn has refused to answer them. Even if he disagrees with each point surely if he wants to be leader of the opposition and a future PM he needs to engage and respond to mainstream media questioning of his policies and positions.

Bubblesinthesummer · 13/08/2015 07:38

I could see a Corbyn led labour party splitting, with the Corbyn part merging with the Greens and further left parties

This is what Nellist was saying yesterday that he and his party TUSC, which is left of left, would want to be a part of the party which would basically move it much futher left than even Corbyn is.

squidzin · 13/08/2015 07:37

*Unhinged

squidzin · 13/08/2015 07:36

CarolDecker? hahahahahahahahaha thanks for revealing your unhinhged Tory desperation!

Lottapianos · 13/08/2015 06:25

Very well said squidzin. Something has to change, Labour have to change - stop being watered down Tories and start being a proper opposition

merrymouse · 13/08/2015 05:14

I think Alistair Campbell's 'anyone but Corbyn' says it all. Corbyn may not be electable, but neither are any of the other candidates if their big draw is that they aren't Corbyn.

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