Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

judging by my Facebook feed most of them will vote Labour should he be leader and stick to his stated policies

The problem is with this though, is falling into the 'echo chamber' trap like people did over the GE and indy ref etc.

Many people on my feeds who are Labour supporters young and not so young are saying they are not sure they would continue to do so if he was in charge.

Corbyn could win an eletion with his policies as they're supported by the majority of voters. Nationalisation of the railways and utilities are supported by even the majority of Tory voters, and his QE to build infrastructure instead of using it to prop up banks is what should've been done in 2008 and is entirely sensible now, as it puts money in the hands of workers who will spend it and get our consumer led economy moving again.

Corbyn is making politics interesting to young people, and judging by my Facebook feed most of them will vote Labour should he be leader and stick to his stated policies.

#JezWeCan.

*I'm sure. Stupid phone

There have been lots of people from 'other parties' joining. Some Tories, greens, TUSC, UKIP, expelled members trying to rejoin.

Apparently they have weeded some out, but I'must sure there are many thousands that they haven't

I hope he becomes labour leader if it makes labour unelectable

No. It's Tories registering.
Maybe left wingers but only Tories that I know. In swarms.

there are about 300,000 Labour party voters in the election. considering it is only £3 to get involved anyone who cares will be included. Even if all of them are corbyn fanatics, that is 0.5% of the electorate.
No-one cares.

The on dit in the Labour party as the rubble was being cleared in 2015

Without any major misstep or change in the political landscape, these people will vote Tory again in 2020.

The on dit in the Labour party as the rubble was being cleared in 2015 was that 2010-15 was a bad time to be in office as there would be lots of economic difficulty, the coalition would be unstable, nay fissile, and all Labour had to do was keep their nose clean, avoid saying anything too committing, punt everything off to the Jon Cruddas' policy review that proved to be a complete waste of time as such of it that wasn't incomprehensible crap was ignored anyway and roll into power in 2015 on the back of public distaste for the Tories helped along with a couple of complete fuckups that they've made. The Tories would have cleared the economic decks and taken the hit, so Labour would then have five easy years in office on the back of that with recovery in the air.

That worked, didn't it? And so, as you point out, goes any "of course it'll be different in 2020" stuff. This is a competent government. For about 70% of the population, they're OK. The other 30% aren't enough to win an election. What Corbyn wants to do is to excite the 30% so that they all vote, and they all vote for him. Which is great, but unfortunately won't win an election.

Waiting for Tory governments to fuck up is a mugs' game. They do it very occasionally, such as the poll tax, but they are surprisingly good at avoiding bear traps. Waiting for them to fracture is also a mugs' game, because usually they are utterly brutal in dealing with it (Labour completely failed to displace election-losing Brown, while the Tories got another five years in office by defenestrating Thatcher). You defeat Tories by having better policies and by appearing more competent, bearing in mind that they are in the manner of cockroaches surviving nuclear war extraordinarily good at naked, shameless politics. It's hard, which is why only three Labour Prime Ministers have ever won a working majority and served out a term as Prime Minister.

Lasttoknow, I confuse myself sometimes. And please don't mention the conviction That is in the past, it was a mistake, it's history, there is no need to bring that up.

Craig, I rarely understand you but I do admire your conviction.
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'I'm not political but the local Tories have been encouraging members to register to vote for Corbyn.'

The Tories have misjudged this. They should be careful what they wish for because this wll only hasten their demise. They started off thinking Corbyn was a joke, just like the Labour elite did, but now no one is laughing as it dawns on them tha this is a revolution.

This is Labour MP, Michael Meacher

"Michael Meacher, a Labour former minister and supporter of Corbyn, said Blairites needed to understand that the surge in enthusiasm for the Islington North MP represented the dismantling of the New Labour era. “It is the biggest non-revolutionary upturning of the social order in modern British politics,” he said.
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“After 20 years of swashbuckling capitalism, the people of Britain have said enough, and Labour is finally regaining its real principles and values."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/aug/12/tony-blair-labour-faces-annihilation-if-jeremy-corbyn-wins-leadership

Meacher is right that this is the dismantling of New Labour and the Blairites which is why none of the visionless, gutless robots can challenge Corbyn. But what the Tories don't realise is that this is also the dismantling of Cameroonianism, the modernising heir to Blair's New Labour, because when New Labour falls so does Cameron and his band of modernisers.

I'm not political but the local Tories have been encouraging members to register to vote for Corbyn.

It's a mindfuck all round to see Tories voting for a socialist.

I think The Guardian has made the right call.

Car crash Yvette Cooper on Newsnight,. Sure Start again! Incredible. That is the extent of the Blairites' ambitions. Corbyn is so much bolder, so much more in touch with the people - both working and middle class. The Tories will trounce Coooper. She doesn't even sound convincing, just desperate.

She doesn't want to transfer power to Whitehall. We don't mind Whitehall as long as it is run for us and not for the metropolitan elite.

He's the left wing Nigal Farage . Of course it's okay when ukip voters are being told "your man is a fruit loop, he's a racist, he's a nutter " and it's okay for left wingers to heap shit on him because he's a right wing nutter. However it's not okay for Johnson, Cooper, Blair, and Campbell to make remarks about JC and goodness even worse if Tories do it. Lefties not liking being told how to vote, not nice is it ?

'What are you even trying to stay here? The affluent middle class want a pseudo socialist who doesn't touch them and JC is your man to do it?'

I am middle class and I wlll not vote for anybody who goes against the middle class and allows business, bankers charidees, 'philanthropists' and 'faith foundation' millionaires to use accountants and lawyers to avoid taxes. If Corbyn is smart, he will go against that lot and leave us middle class alone and then he will win a landslide because most of us agree with his nationalisaion, anti-privatisation policies. I don't know if he will do that, we will have to wait and see. If he not a socialist like 'Two Jags' Lord Prescott who came against the middle class with his wish to tax people who had conservatories and patioed their drives, then he will win a landslide.

'Are you still trying to compliment him?'

I'm explaining that if he leaves the middle class, alone, the squeezed middle alone, he will win a landslde for Labour.

'I doubt even JC thinks he has a hope in hell at winning in 2020. '

Do you think Cameron. who just scraped a victory over Miliband, will eat Corbyn. ou need to get ou on the doorstep more and talk to UKIP and ory middle class voters and you will see that what Corbyn says appeals to millins because he will alleviate the housing problem, scrap tuition fees, bring in universal free chidcare, a free lifelong education system wth no tuition fees, naionalisation and invesment in public services. Corbyn didn't think he could win the Labour election, but contrary to what the Guardian editorial team say, he now believes he can storm an election against Osborne, May or Johnson pushing the same old tired Burnham, Cooper, Kendall and Blair austerity line.

'This would be funny if it wasn't other people's lives you're screwing with.'

You are the type of visionless, gutless Labour appatchik that cost Labour the election. Good Labour MPs, like the excellent new Labour MP, Clive Lewis, went on the doorstep and they back Corbyn because they know what voters think of Blair and the Blairites and they don't find them funny.

It was other people's lives that Blair and Brown screwed with, when they obsessively promoted themselves and forgot altogether that they were meant to be running the country for the good of its people. Never again must that be allowed to happen.

I feel like the policeman at the end of the Wicker Man when he realises he's surrounded by lunatics.

Why do you think YC will withdraw? The ballots go out tomorrow - what would happen to her votes?

That's true - but from next year they can do what they like with it. They won't though, because as you say, it's political suicide. Whether or not that will result in a cessation of their cries that 'it's all Westminster's fault' remains to be seen - I doubt it somehow.

Looks like LK and YC will be persuaded to withdraw in favour of AB. LK is too far behind and YC is loosing her marbles, foul mouthing JC. Such tactics will most likely work in favour of JC.

2020 is not an impossible dream, but it requires Labour to win over the kind of people who could bring themselves to vote Tory in 2015.

Without any major misstep or change in the political landscape, these people will vote Tory again in 2020.

The Sottich parliament has been able to change the income tax rate by up to 3% either way since 1998. They haven' t because it is electoral suicide.