Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

"A foreign policy that prioritises justice and assistance

What exactly does that mean."

No illegal wars and aid instead of regime change and war.

Oh does it mean he'lloyd be making more 'friends'

A foreign policy that prioritises justice and assistance

What exactly does that mean.

Ah, Corbynomics.

Do we all get a free unicorn as well? I'd vote for that

Rock on Corbyn.
(I'm all for the action on climate change)
Rent controls we're screaming out for.
Protection at work -fantastic.Yes,some of us have noticed the changes to employment protection snuck in over the last few years.
Whats not to like?

Corbyn has now released his ten point plan. The only one I disagree with is "Action on Climate Change", but the rest of it overrides that piece of political correctness.

"The "Standing to Deliver"policies include:

Growth not austerity – with a national investment bank to help create tomorrow's jobs and reduce the deficit fairly. Fair taxes for all.
A lower welfare bill through investment and growth
Action on climate change
Public ownership of railways and in the energy sector
Decent homes for all in public and private sectors by 2025 through a big house-building programme and controlling rents.
A foreign policy that prioritises justice and assistance.
Fully-funded NHS, integrated with social care, with an end to privatisation in health.
Protection at work including an end to zero hours contracts
Equality for all
A life-long national education service for decent skills and opportunities, universal childcare, the abolition of student fees, restoring grants, and funding adult skills training."

www.itv.com/news/2015-08-14/jeremy-corbyn-promises-new-kind-of-politics-as-he-unveils-10-point-policy-plan/

'This 'metropolitan elite' also have the vote'

Yes, but with Labour's new democratic electoral leadership system, the Labour MPs no longer have 30% of the vote. Now one Oxbridge MP, and coup plotter against Corbyn, has the same vote as one of the people from Lambeth.

'I disagree with you that there is some homogeneous mass of 'average people' who all think the same.'

On the whole an election is won by a party that manages to reach out to the shared wishes of the majority. Those shared wishes are common to the majority.

This 'metropolitan elite' also have the vote. I disagree with you that there is some homogeneous mass of 'average people' who all think the same.

'And that's your biggest mistake claig 'the people' categorically are not all the same '

When I say 'the people', I mean as an aggregate, on average. Obviously not all of them are the same, some are metropolitan elite and they are definitely not the same.

I never thought the whole country would vote UKIP with all the media and the Establishment against them and without a track record of a single MP apart from a ex-Tory twit who talks aout e-democracy and spottifying politics. But 4 million voters is a lot and is just the start of the revolt against the metropolitan elite. Now it is Labour that will take over and they will succeed where UKIP failed.

And that's your biggest mistake claig 'the people' categorically are not all the same nor do they want the same things, nor do they believe in the same things.

Well you misjudged what 'the people' who voted at the last General Election wanted claig.

'had the most support among Ukip '

We, the people, are all the same, we want the same things. It is the metropolitan elite - the Guardian, the BBC, Westminster - who are against Corbyn. Wait until the real polls about Corbyn surface when voters hear his policies and can recognise his face.

"Jeremy Corbyn woos Londoners as Ukip and Lib Dems flock to Labour leadership frontrunner"
...
The research surprisingly revealed that Corbyn, despite his socialist stance, had the most support among Ukip (62%) and Liberal Democrat (36%) voters."

www.ibtimes.co.uk/jeremy-corbyn-woos-londoners-ukip-libdems-flock-labour-leadership-frontrunner-1515514

Wait until the BBC take Jess Phillips, Labour MP, off TV and put Corbyn on and let him explain his policies. Then many more voters - including middle class Tories - will flock to him as well as the UKIP ones.

Impossible, because I know what the people want. I am not out of touch like the Westminster bubble are.

When this 'Brave New World' you describe doesn't happen claig would you be good enough to come back and admit that you actually have no idea what 'the people' want?

'Claig - no, you are assuming that the public who picked Tories in 2015 did so because they think the Tories will fix all of society's problems.'

No, they didn't expect fixes, they just thought the Tories were better than Miliband and the Polly Toynbee, Yvette Cooper Sure Start vision.

'the tories offered to reduce what the government would do'

Yes and I agree with small government and getting the bureaucrats off our backs and paying low taxes if the alternative is Polly Toynbee and Miliband. But Corbyn is a complete gamechanger because there is nothing wrong with big government if it is good government and that is what Corbyn offers and Polly Toynbee and Miliband did not.

'most people don't want government meddling'

I agree, unless the government meddling can solve housing, employment, free childcare, free lifelong learning, scrap tuition fees and nationalise our key industries and stop them ripping us off wth their above inflationary price increases and their bosses on million pound salaries.

Corbyn is going to win the Labour leadership and then slowly the elite will release the polls of how the public see him and there will be a huge surprise as he is shown to be very popular, and then the elite's panic over Farage will happen all over again but this time over Corbyn and Labour and it will be like nothing we have yet seen.

Yes we benefited enormously because of Mrs Thatcher and Corbyn will enable that to happen in a sense again which is why so many Tories want him elected as Labour leader.

Claig - no, you are assuming that the public who picked Tories in 2015 did so because they think the Tories will fix all of society's problems. They don't, the tories offered to reduce what the government would do, not increase it. Regardless of what all the polling said, in the end, that seems to be attractive to the electorate. That's hard to swallow if you're more of a "roll your sleeves up and work out how to fix the problems" - but I do have to accept, most people don't want government meddling even if it would be good for them, yes I know I sound like 'nanny knows best'

I think Corbyn is a dangerous choice because he's not going to win a pile of Tories over to Labour. I don't want Tories winning in 2020.

A few months ago you said almost exactly the same thing about Nigel Farage.'

And 4 million voted for Farage (with only one MP), almost half of the entire amount who voted for the established Labour Party.

But Labour is much bigger than UKIP and the fact that the rebellion which led to the rise of UKIP has in a different sense now spread to Labour indicates that the change that is coming will be enormous. It won't be UKIP anymore. I never thought Corbyn would appear when UKIP were causing havoc among the elite, but Corbyn changes everything, he will eclipse UKIP and it will become irrelevant. It is a shame for me because I prefer Farage to Corbyn because Farage has much more common sense.

But Farage lacks Corbyn's courage to overturn most of what was considered undoable and that is why Corbyn will win and why he derseves to win because he will fix many more problems than UKIP could ever fix.

And Tories, the Liberals, Greens and all from other parties.

Stay away.

Could somebody explain why Corbyn shouldn't be voted for as Labour party leader?

Coming back to the original topic:
No, there is no reason why Labour members and supporters should not vote for Corbyn. He is lot better choice than the other contestants.

claig you are repeating almost verbatim your pronouncements about how Farage was going to storm the citadel of power held by your favourite bogeymen 'the metropolitan elite/Oxbridge graduate politicians, etc., etc.' and applying them to Corbyn.'

Yes because it is the same underlying phenomenon, whether left or right - the people's dissatisfaction with how we are governed by our gatekeeper class of Oxbridge graduates who serve the system and not the people.

Indeed Pneu it is incredibly difficult to take someone seriously when they perform such a volte face, steadfastly believe they know what 'the people' want and will do (when these same people did not do as so confidently predicted recently) and parrot meaningless statements about how one person will wave a magic wand and solve all our ills in one fell swoop.

This is what the Guardian's Polly Toynbee thinks the Labour leadership is about and this is all the Labour Oxbridge candidates have to offer the people of Britain

"This isn’t religion, it’s about how to save Sure Start, abolish the bedroom tax, restore tax credits, stop savage benefit sanctions that send families to food banks"

That won't win an election, that is not a vision, that is more of the same, just Tory lite. Corbyn has challenged the entire political consensus, the entire austerity system and neoliberal system and that is why he has enthused the public and awakened their dormant wishes which the BBC and the elite's media refused to address or even ask about. The people are now out of their control, they are at a loss about what to do.

Yesterday they had Labour MP, Jess Phillips, on Newsnight, laughing at how none of the 200 doorsteps she knocked on even mentioned Corbyn. None of them will be laughing soon, because there are hundreds of thousands of newly enthused Labour members and they are making history.

On Sunday, we are told that Gordon Brown will make a speech. I expect things will be so despearte for the elite by then, that the BBC will clear all the schedules and broadcast Gordon Bennett's speech live as he throws every hand gesture in the book and begs Labour Party members, probably on his knees, to come back and choose an approved Establishment candidate from Oxbridge instead of the left wing rebel Corbyn.

But everyone knows it won't work. Everyone knows Gordon is history and Corbyn is making history.